Trump to Order Investigation of Voter Fraud...

[Jeremiahcp]

The only voter fraud is the voter fraud myth. A story used mainly by the Right to pass laws that impede votes for the Left. There have been numerous studies that show there is no significant evidence too support claims of widespread voter fraud.

That is the one thing I was hoping we could finally drop, but even though the Right won, it seems we'll never hear the end of this fairy tale.

There has a been a fairly even split between Republican control and Democratic control of our government. If the Left was cheating we'd likely see a stronger unbalance.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

You'd think most illegals would stay away from things that would drawn unwanted attention to their citizen status; things like voting.

 

[savagewind]

Every major intelligence agency, along with private security experts, says it is likely Russia tampered with the election. Yet Trump refuses to act and even claims that if it happened it didn't have an impact.

However, with zero evidence of voter fraud he is ordering an investigation because it interferes with his narrative that he won the popular vote.

Pretty sad state of things.

Trump calls for 'major investigation' into voter fraud - CNNPolitics.com

I think that Russia tampering with the election, if it were so, IS voter fraud.

Must I explain?

 

[habiru]

I didn't claim no illegals voted, only that the 800,000 number is way off, and this is from the person who came up with it. First she gave an estimated range (350,000-800,000) that was based upon old data, that was probably high to begin with, and is certain to be much lower now than it was when it was collected.

The author herself said the number was probably closer to the 350,000 number then, and surely is lower than that now. This is not the media, this is from the author of the original study sourced by your links. So less than 350,000 many of which were in border states that already went to Trump. So no, they didn't make an ounce of difference in this election and they are nowhere near enough to explain the millions of votes Clinton won with in the popular vote.

Oh.. They can approve to fund free phones to the poor, but cannot afford to give the poor I.D. cards that cost less, but help to prevent voter fraud.....



States are implementing laws requiring voters to produce photo identification (ID). Democrats are fighting these initiatives claiming voter disenfranchisement. Are Democrats supporting voter fraud?

Virginia Governor Bob McDonnell, a Republican, signed into law a requirement for voters to provide a photo ID in order to vote. The law provides free photo ID cards to registered voters and requires notifying voters of the requirement prior to the next election. The law takes into account the need to prevent voter fraud and provides state voters with free photo IDs if they do not already possess one.

While the law seems to be reasonable and fair, Democrats are decrying it as unfair to senior citizens, the poor, and minorities. The Democrats argue that voter photo ID laws prevent these groups from exercising their right to vote. Arkansas Governor Mike Beebe recently vetoed a similar law in his state. Interestingly, he stated that the cost ($300,000) and the increased bureaucracy were unnecessary.

Democratic opposition to these laws is not only at the state level. The Democratic National Committee (DNC) is also stating that voter ID laws are "unnecessary, expensive, and intrusive" and should not be supported. Voter ID Laws: Why Democrats Are Scared


"The cost has gone from $143 million a few years ago to $2.2 billion today," Republican Louisiana Sen. David Vitter said, noting that today's cost is 15 times what it was.
Lawmakers warn cost of federal free phone program spinning out of control

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

There never was a time, when attempted voter fraud. was not an issue
As long as it is in someone's interest to cheat, it will continue to be so.

No system is perfect and people are very devious. when it comes to self interest.
What is important is that the authorities keep on top of the problem, and constantly review their counter measures.

If they do so, It is unlikely that voter fraud will ever be a significant factor in any major election.
Though it might be so, from time to time, in minor, local, and less policed ones.

If policing is known to be lax, then fraud will become rife, and a free for all.

If Fraud was widespread in this election it was because the authorities were not doing their job.

 

[Tiapan]

Trump to Order Investigation of Voter Fraud...

But will he publish the results?
cheers

 

[Jeremiahcp]

But will he publish the results?
cheers

It works against him either way. If he does not, then people will conclude there is no evidence of voter fraud and that Trump just wasted tax payer money on a pointless investigation. If he does find voter fraud and publishes it, then he undermines the legitimacy of his own election.

 

[Underhill]

I think that Russia tampering with the election, if it were so, IS voter fraud.

Must I explain?

No it isn't. It is hacking by a foreign power. Voter fraud is done by the voter. Thus the name... 'voter' fraud.

 

[Underhill]

Oh.. They can approve to fund free phones to the poor, but cannot afford to give the poor I.D. cards that cost less, but help to prevent voter fraud.....



States are implementing laws requiring voters to produce photo identification (ID). Democrats are fighting these initiatives claiming voter disenfranchisement. Are Democrats supporting voter fraud?

Virginia Governor Bob McDonnell, a Republican, signed into law a requirement for voters to provide a photo ID in order to vote. The law provides free photo ID cards to registered voters and requires notifying voters of the requirement prior to the next election. The law takes into account the need to prevent voter fraud and provides state voters with free photo IDs if they do not already possess one.

While the law seems to be reasonable and fair, Democrats are decrying it as unfair to senior citizens, the poor, and minorities. The Democrats argue that voter photo ID laws prevent these groups from exercising their right to vote. Arkansas Governor Mike Beebe recently vetoed a similar law in his state. Interestingly, he stated that the cost ($300,000) and the increased bureaucracy were unnecessary.

Democratic opposition to these laws is not only at the state level. The Democratic National Committee (DNC) is also stating that voter ID laws are "unnecessary, expensive, and intrusive" and should not be supported. Voter ID Laws: Why Democrats Are Scared


"The cost has gone from $143 million a few years ago to $2.2 billion today," Republican Louisiana Sen. David Vitter said, noting that today's cost is 15 times what it was.
Lawmakers warn cost of federal free phone program spinning out of control

I couldn't care less about the free phone program. And if they were truly interested in just issuing ID's I have no problem with it. But anyone who honestly looks into the issue knows what the objective is. It is about eliminating democratic votes.

I am all for an honest look at voter fraud (it would not be the first time this has been done.). Every time it has been done by objective people they say the same thing. It happens infrequently enough to be a non issue. Voter ID, on the other hand, would have a much larger impact on the right to vote. This, coupled with the fact that the true objective of these republican lawmakers is to simply win elections, leads me to inevitable conclusion that we should not allow these kinds of laws.

Voting is THE fundamental right of our constitution. Everything else stems from that right. Taking it away based upon fairy tales of fraud is just partisan nonsense.

 

[savagewind]

No it isn't. It is hacking by a foreign power. Voter fraud is done by the voter. Thus the name... 'voter' fraud.

OK. Technically if Russia hacked it they were choosing a winner which if you can stretch it far enough is voting, though illegally. They have no right to choose who will be president but if they tried it somehow it would be them choosing which one should be president, like each of us do when we vote.

Can you see that picking, choosing and voting are similar?

 

[Underhill]

OK. Technically if Russia hacked it they were choosing a winner which if you can stretch it far enough is voting, though illegally. They have no right to choose who will be president but if they tried it somehow it would be them choosing which one should be president, like each of us do when we vote.

Can you see that picking, choosing and voting are similar?

Sure, if that is what they were doing. They were influencing, which is completely different.

If I thought Trump had any intention of investigating the Russian hacking thing as part of the investigation I am all for it. But I've seen no evidence of that. Heck, I'm not even against the investigation, aside from the fact that it has been done before and is a waste of money, if it is done right and finally gets this garbage behind us.

But it is supremely ironic that he is going after something that the experts agree is a non issue while ignoring something the experts almost universally agree was.

 

[habiru]

Trump wishes, the popular vote thing sure is hitting him in the ego.

Oh, They know that President Trump has a BIG EGO, and that is why they are using it to distract him from investigating the 9/11 incident. Now they has gotten him on the run, using his power for frivolous things. He should be using these investigators to find out what really happened. Was it really the Saudis that wanted to destroy this country of ours. I believes that the members of ISIS are making babies with women around the world, making the women to do their will. That women's march for pro-choice seems fishy to me...

 

[habiru]

I couldn't care less about the free phone program. And if they were truly interested in just issuing ID's I have no problem with it. But anyone who honestly looks into the issue knows what the objective is. It is about eliminating democratic votes.

I am all for an honest look at voter fraud (it would not be the first time this has been done.). Every time it has been done by objective people they say the same thing. It happens infrequently enough to be a non issue. Voter ID, on the other hand, would have a much larger impact on the right to vote. This, coupled with the fact that the true objective of these republican lawmakers is to simply win elections, leads me to inevitable conclusion that we should not allow these kinds of laws.

Voting is THE fundamental right of our constitution. Everything else stems from that right. Taking it away based upon fairy tales of fraud is just partisan nonsense.

Well, the I.D's will prevent voter fraud. We need it to withdraw money and to by whiskey. And so I do not see any harm for anyone to be carrying an I.D.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Any voter fraud is insignificant compared to the much greater fraud of perpetrating the myth that we have meaningful democratic elections, when our only two viable candidates to vote for were Trump and Clinton. The whole system is a fraud.

It's like somebody with stage 4 pancreatic cancer worrying about a lit bit of mild constipation.

 

[Underhill]

Well, the I.D's will prevent voter fraud. We need it to withdraw money and to by whiskey. And so I do not see any harm for anyone to be carrying an I.D.

I don't care. Those things are not a right. If I saw a reason, I would consider it. But there isn't justification for denying anyone the right to vote.

 

[habiru]

That will not prevent them from voting if they doesn't has an I.D. Even having a Obama's phone either... But some people depends on public transportation and they needs their I.D. to ride on certain bus. Without it, they will never be able to have transportation to go and vote. But then, the tax-payers pays a lots of money for buses to come and pick them up. But we still can't afford to give to those that cannot afford an I.D. some money to buy one. Do you now that having an I.D. can help a person to get out of poverty? I guess the Democrats doesn't want that..They want them to be dependent on them, telling them nice catch phrases like keep hope alive, don't let the door hit you ewhere the good lord split you and all the rest of those fancy words. People cannot live off of catch phrases... They need food, not baloney..