Trump wants to pardon himself?

[Shadow Wolf]

Neither side has truth in their favor.

It is definitely not in the favor of Trump and his associates. The way this is playing out, and considering their own past statements, we may get to see how loyal Trump's sons are to him, maybe even the entire family.

 

[Phantasman]

It is definitely not in the favor of Trump and his associates. The way this is playing out, and considering their own past statements, we may get to see how loyal Trump's sons are to him, maybe even the entire family.

Two sides, two views. Wait and see. All I hear is hearsay that changes daily.

Meanwhile, I enjoy the path the economy has moved. My raise and jobs created in my own community that weren't there 2 years ago. New businesses opening after a lull. Haven't seen "now hiring" in my area for a long time. Or 3 new restaurants in a town of 17,000 people within 1 year in forever.

I can only speak for how I see it locally. Hope it doesn't go back to what the last 12 years were like.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Two sides, two views. Wait and see. All I hear is hearsay that changes daily.

Do you not remember Trump's sons mentioning that they talked to Russia? Do you not remember that Flynn lied to Pence about the whole thing (and plead guilty to the charges of lying)?

 

[Phantasman]

Do you not remember Trump's sons mentioning that they talked to Russia? Do you not remember that Flynn lied to Pence about the whole thing (and plead guilty to the charges of lying)?

Trump fired Flynn for lying to the VP. There is nothing wrong with talking to Russia.

 

[tytlyf]

Trump fired Flynn for lying to the VP. There is nothing wrong with talking to Russia.

Well, it's pretty clear at this point the Trump campaign colluded with Russia. The whole basis of the investigation. Mueller doesn't screw around, there is evidence there.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Trump fired Flynn for lying to the VP. There is nothing wrong with talking to Russia.

For lying about Russia. The whole reason Mueller picked up the investigation. And there are other things to uncover, such as Jared's meeting at Russia and him being thrilled with what the Russians had against Hillary.

 

[Phantasman]

The Dems hate Russia. I hope we have a better future with Russia in the future.

 

[tytlyf]

The Dems hate Russia. I hope we have a better future with Russia in the future.

Correct, because they are America's #1 enemy. They aren't your friends. I'm surprised you don't care one bit about Russia targeting vulnerable conservatives. Same thing RW media does. Propaganda is powerful.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

I don't worry about it.

Good lord, really? Leaders who can pardon themselves? Like, remove the consequences of crimes they commit?

 

[tytlyf]

Good lord, really? Leaders who can pardon themselves? Like, remove the consequences of crimes they commit?

More proof we got a wannabe dictator in the white house.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

More proof we got a wannabe dictator in the white house.

Typically, I am careful with labelling various American leaders as wannabe dictators, but given Trump's almost comical egotism and his admiration for strongarm leaders, I am in agreement .

 

[tytlyf]

Typically, I am careful with labelling various American leaders as wannabe dictators, but given Trump's almost comical egotism and his admiration for strongarm leaders, I am in agreement .

A dictator takes control and removes themselves from all persecution. Any dissent is silenced, punished. Here we have the Trump thinking he's above the law and can do as he pleases without consequence. Doesn't get any more real than that.

 

[metis]

There is nothing wrong with talking to Russia.

Then when did six in Trump's camp, including Donald Jr. and Kushner, lie about not having any contacts whatsoever whereas it has been disclosed that they did at Trump Towers? If they did nothing wrong, why lie?

 

[Phantasman]

Correct, because they are America's #1 enemy. They aren't your friends. I'm surprised you don't care one bit about Russia targeting vulnerable conservatives. Same thing RW media does. Propaganda is powerful.

I see America's #1 enemy as the internal groups of people in the country trying to degrade and remove a President elected by the people by a sound electoral process.

If all Russians are bad does that mean all Mexicans are bad, or all Blacks?

You suffer from TDS. As well as Russophobia.

 

[Phantasman]

Then when did six in Trump's camp, including Donald Jr. and Kushner, lie about not having any contacts whatsoever whereas it has been disclosed that they did at Trump Towers? If they did nothing wrong, why lie?

Maybe for the same reason Loretta Lynch, Susan Rice and Hillary Clinton did. Seems to work in Washington.

 

[Phantasman]

Good lord, really? Leaders who can pardon themselves? Like, remove the consequences of crimes they commit?

Uncharted territory. That's all. Guess we'll find out if the President is found a criminal.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Uncharted territory. That's all. Guess we'll find out if the President is found a criminal.

Well, not really uncharted...

Even if he is not, you are still okay with leaders capable of rendering themselves free from the consequences of crime?

 

[tytlyf]

I see America's #1 enemy as the internal groups of people in the country trying to degrade and remove a President elected by the people by a sound electoral process.

If all Russians are bad does that mean all Mexicans are bad, or all Blacks?

You suffer from TDS. As well as Russophobia.

Now you're playing the race card. Everyone knows Russia is an enemy. All of a sudden your favorite RW outlets have you fawning over your dear leader. That's dangerous and you don't even know why.

I'd advise stop voting for a party that doesn't care about you outside your vote. There's a reason conservatives hate their own party.

 

[fantome profane]

If all Russians are bad does that mean all Mexicans are bad, or all Blacks?

It is not about the Russian people, no one has said that. This is a blatant straw man argument.

It is about the Russian government that kills journalists, kills rival politicians, invaded and annexes neighbouring nations. And it is the Russian government that seeks to undermine free democratic elections in other countries (not only the U.S.).

Putin is not a friend of western democracy.

 

[metis]

Maybe for the same reason Loretta Lynch, Susan Rice and Hillary Clinton did. Seems to work in Washington.

This has nothing to do with what we're discussing so please stick to the topic instead of deflecting.