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Trump 'You won't have to vote Again'.

Alien826

No religious beliefs
First, one has to wonder if the claim that Christians tend to vote less than other groups is true. A whole lot of people vote in American elections, and 65% of the country identifies as Christian.
Right. He may have been referring to the right wing Christians that he was addressing rather than Christians in general, many of whom don't support him at all. And of course, what he said may not be true of any Christians, which is irrelevant to my point which was about what he was trying to say in the parts of the speech that followed.
But even so, does anybody -- even Christians! -- really think that one President can make everything right for all the rest of time? That there won't be any natural disasters like fires and hurricanes and tornados, nobody will attack from abroad with nuclear weapons, nothing will happen in the world that needs attention? If so, they must by definition be even stupider than I can imagine!
I doubt it. But Trump will promise anything if he thinks it will gain him votes.
No -- Trump has shown us through his own actions what his intentions are. He tried everything he and his supporters could think of to avoid losing power last time around -- he was willing to stop at nothing, including the death of his own VP and the overthrowing of the House and Senate, suborning state officials, and trashing innocent Americans with accusations of vote tampering.

I don't know about you, but I believe that people will behave in future more in line with their past behaviours than with their stated intentions. That's just a little bit of what human nature teaches me.
Agreed.
Who told Trump (or you) that American Christians don't vote?
Do you believe that only American pagans, Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus, Bahá'ís, agnostics, atheists voted before?

I don't think so.
Good question regarding Trump. Probably the same people that told him that immigrants have high crime rate. I'm not sure where you got the idea that I believe the same thing. I'm just talking about the interpretation of that speech by people who seem to ignore part of it in order to support their desired viewpoint. I wish people would actually read what I write before jumping to conclusions.

Incidentally, I heard the interpretation that I was putting forward suggested by someone on MSNBC yesterday, so I'm not alone. He was concerned by the idea that Trump thought that he could make changes in such a way that it would be impossible to reverse them.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Could Mr Trump be any more clear?
....Vote this time, and ........
'You won't have to do it anymore. Four more years, you know what, it will be fixed, it will be fine, you won't have to vote anymore, my beautiful Christians.' (https://www.reuters.com/world/us/tru...on-2024-07-27/)

Now what do you think he meant by that?
Coupled with Trump telling Hannity that he'd become a "dictator on day1", there's not much doubt what he wants and believes.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Good question regarding Trump. Probably the same people that told him that immigrants have high crime rate. I'm not sure where you got the idea that I believe the same thing. I'm just talking about the interpretation of that speech by people who seem to ignore part of it in order to support their desired viewpoint. I wish people would actually read what I write before jumping to conclusions.

Incidentally, I heard the interpretation that I was putting forward suggested by someone on MSNBC yesterday, so I'm not alone. He was concerned by the idea that Trump thought that he could make changes in such a way that it would be impossible to reverse them.
But you must know thatmost American Christians take as much interest in politics as other Americans? After all, a whole bunch of them were at a meeting to hear a Republican candidate standing for election for President.

After other claims by Trump folks might treat his words with more caution, especially those spoken at that meeting.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
What's also strange, okay, let's call it what it is -- weird -- is that Trump has also been telling people "I don't need your votes," "I've got tons of votes," "we don't need votes, we've got more votes than anybody has ever had," "I don't worry about voting."

This is something that should prick up your ears, because what it means is that he doesn't think he needs to win the vote to win the election. He doesn't think he needs to win the election in order to take power. He thinks something other than votes is going to determine whether or not he gets back in the White House.

At Rolling Stone yesterday, they profiled 70 different election officials who have been put into position in the swing states of Arizona, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina and Pennsylvania, who are committed election denialists. Officials that have been put in place in all of those states to make sure that election results, no matter what they are, do not get certified in those states this year.

“At least 22 of these election officials have already refused or delayed certification processes in recent elections” according to democratic election lawyer Marc Elias, “I think we are going see mass refusals to certify the election in November. Republicans are counting on not just that they can disrupt the election in big counties, they're counting on the fact that if they don't certify in several small counties, you can't certify statewide results.”

Seventy officials in place across just the swing states. For all the surface level weird behavior and language, strange choices and incoherence, and odd donors in the republican campaign, the serious core at the heart of it is that they're not planning on the vote being counted as normal. They're not counting on the election results being tallied as normal. They're not counting on the vote. And in fact, Trump is now repeatedly saying the vote will not matter. He doesn't even want your vote. The Republicans are counting on the election results not being certified, thereby creating chaos in Washington around the results.

Just like 2020, right? Just like January 6th, 2021, except this time with no Mike Pence in the way and with Republican officials already in place in multiple states saying, “yeah.” You may not get any sort of official vote.

The weirdness of this campaign is astonishing 98 days out. The dislocation from real campaigning, though, the dislocation from actually asking people for their votes -- that means something. It means they are not trying to win this thing in a normal way. So 98 days out, as Democrats run what by all accounts looks like a juggernaut traditional campaign under Kamala Harris, are they prepared for this level of weirdness after the votes are cast?
 

Pogo

Well-Known Member
What's also strange, okay, let's call it what it is -- weird -- is that Trump has also been telling people "I don't need your votes," "I've got tons of votes," "we don't need votes, we've got more votes than anybody has ever had," "I don't worry about voting."

This is something that should prick up your ears, because what it means is that he doesn't think he needs to win the vote to win the election. He doesn't think he needs to win the election in order to take power. He thinks something other than votes is going to determine whether or not he gets back in the White House.

At Rolling Stone yesterday, they profiled 70 different election officials who have been put into position in the swing states of Arizona, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina and Pennsylvania, who are committed election denialists. Officials that have been put in place in all of those states to make sure that election results, no matter what they are, do not get certified in those states this year.

“At least 22 of these election officials have already refused or delayed certification processes in recent elections” according to democratic election lawyer Marc Elias, “I think we are going see mass refusals to certify the election in November. Republicans are counting on not just that they can disrupt the election in big counties, they're counting on the fact that if they don't certify in several small counties, you can't certify statewide results.”

Seventy officials in place across just the swing states. For all the surface level weird behavior and language, strange choices and incoherence, and odd donors in the republican campaign, the serious core at the heart of it is that they're not planning on the vote being counted as normal. They're not counting on the election results being tallied as normal. They're not counting on the vote. And in fact, Trump is now repeatedly saying the vote will not matter. He doesn't even want your vote. The Republicans are counting on the election results not being certified, thereby creating chaos in Washington around the results.

Just like 2020, right? Just like January 6th, 2021, except this time with no Mike Pence in the way and with Republican officials already in place in multiple states saying, “yeah.” You may not get any sort of official vote.

The weirdness of this campaign is astonishing 98 days out. The dislocation from real campaigning, though, the dislocation from actually asking people for their votes -- that means something. It means they are not trying to win this thing in a normal way. So 98 days out, as Democrats run what by all accounts looks like a juggernaut traditional campaign under Kamala Harris, are they prepared for this level of weirdness after the votes are cast?
Trump saying he doesn't need anyone's votes is just his way of reminding them of how unimportant to him they are.
Instead of backfiring, they feel smaller and more beholden to him for the attention (negative) he gives them. Serious self esteem issues here.
 
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Alien826

No religious beliefs
But you must know thatmost American Christians take as much interest in politics as other Americans? After all, a whole bunch of them were at a meeting to hear a Republican candidate standing for election for President.

After other claims by Trump folks might treat his words with more caution, especially those spoken at that meeting.

I have no idea what the voting habits of American Christians are. What you say is quite likely. I just noted that Trump, in the first part of his speech made the claim that they didn't vote much, which made the generally quoted part, where he says that they won't have to vote again more coherent. In other words he's saying something like "I know you don't like to vote, but please do it this once to get me elected. I'll get everything you want fixed so permanently that you won't need to vote again".
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
What's also strange, okay, let's call it what it is -- weird -- is that Trump has also been telling people "I don't need your votes," "I've got tons of votes," "we don't need votes, we've got more votes than anybody has ever had," "I don't worry about voting."
It suggests having a machine (cabal) in place
to corrupt either the vote counting or (more
likely) the Electoral College.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
I have no idea what the voting habits of American Christians are. What you say is quite likely. I just noted that Trump, in the first part of his speech made the claim that they didn't vote much, which made the generally quoted part, where he says that they won't have to vote again more coherent. In other words he's saying something like "I know you don't like to vote, but please do it this once to get me elected. I'll get everything you want fixed so permanently that you won't need to vote again".
If that's what you think then it is what you think.

You've pointed out there that you're offering this idea because of what Trump 'claimed'.

Do you believe what Trump claims?
 
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