Trump's America: Hispanic community gonna learn today!

[godnotgod]

What you are experiencing is the result of our collective inability to recognize the foundational problem, which is the legitimization of monetary wealth/greed as a social motive and value determinant. Every black face in this country is a visible representation of our national historical legitimization of greed. So is every poor person we see. So we loathe them in no small part for exposing the rest of us for who we really are (and have pretty much always been).

It's why even the rich and powerful need scapegoats, even when they own and control everything else. They need someone to blame the damage that their own greed, arrogance, and ignorance has done, and is doing, to the world and people around them.

Yup! It's called the interplay of Persona and Shadow, where Shadow is foisted upon others as scapegoats, currently the Mexican and the Muslim. Shadow is probably the single most damaging element to peaceful relations around the world, the classic example being the German national Shadow having been foisted upon the Jewish people as untermenschen, ie 'sub-human',as a means of justifying their extermination.

 

[PureX]

Yup! It's called the interplay of Persona and Shadow, where Shadow is foisted upon others as scapegoats, currently the Mexican and the Muslim. Shadow is probably the single most damaging element to peaceful relations around the world, the classic example being the German national Shadow having been foisted upon the Jewish people as untermenschen, ie 'sub-human',as a means of justifying their extermination.

Yes, and even that glaring example was begun and fueled by a choking economic circumstance in which the German people were forced to pay huge war reparations after losing the 1st world war. Material fears fuel greed, and blame, and the scapegoating soon begins.

 

[godnotgod]

In reality, all Americans are immigrants. The only Americans are the Native Americans.

There is no American race; 'American' is just a political and economic term and ultimately, has no meaning to the indigenous peoples of the north and south 'America'. Having said that, yes, many American Indians and Mexican-Americans identify with being 'American', but that is just to identify with nationality, none of which are immigrants. Spanish blood was co-mingled with tribes of the north and the south, but the resulting offspring never traveled from Europe to become denizens of these lands. Long before any European set foot on this continent, the native peoples from the south, primarily the Aztec, and the later Mexicano, saw the land to the north as a happy hunting ground. They called it, and still call it, 'Aztlan', and is embedded deeply into the native culture and psychology, even, or maybe especially, today. That is why Mexicanos have such intense feeling about much of their lands to the north having been stolen from them by the more powerful and belligerent US. As far as they are concerned, the SouthWest is none other than 'Occupied Mexico', and they will stop at nothing until they get it back into their hands.

Robin Williams once joked, playing the part of an indigenous person speaking to an American:

"So, you steal our land, eh? Hokeh! Then we give you nice little monkey for your back called 'Cocaine'. How you like it?"

 

[metis]

It would be lower still if illegals were not in the picture.

And going by the stats, it would be even lower yet if you left instead.

 

[Twilight Hue]

That is not a credible statement.

Of course its credible. Unless you think the truth of the matter is somehow otherwise.

What's not credible or even true entirely is calling people who were actually born here immigrants.

Now if you were talking about origins and ancestry that would be a different story.

 

[Twilight Hue]

And going by the stats, it would be even lower yet if you left instead.

Just think if there were no people. ..

 

[Epic Beard Man]

That was many generations ago and I had no part in it. You didn't either! Stop being childish. This is no excuse to practice reverse discrimination.

Wait, who said you had a part of anything? Who is being childish here? I'm clearly refuting the illogical notion that my ethnic group is a historical migrant here. This is not a true statement hence the term "African-American" African origins with an American nationality. Finally, who is practicing "reverse discrimination?" There is no such thing as reverse discrimination like reverse racism, you either discriminate or don't.

So, now you play the Black card

Ah! I wonder when someone was going to use this.

I have worked as hard as I could, though I am almost invisible, to treat Black people and OTHER people of color equally and with love and respect.

Good for you, but my experiences have nothing to do with you.

And, because of my own "special-ness" I have experienced considerable discrimination.

Ah I see! which is why you're telling me to "stop reverse discriminating" towards you right, because you know, you experienced it with some black people therefore you telling me here is going to change that right? you don't need to pat yourself on the back to me, I commend you what people ought to do anyway.

The only way to move forward is for everyone to get over themselves and treat everyone with love.

You are in no moral position to tell a Jew to get over the holocaust as you are to tell an African-American or a Latino to get over the system of racism in the United States.

was raised in a racist, southern type family and heard my parents speaking hatefully about "Chinks, Wetbacks, ******s, and Injuns".

This may explain a couple of your comments in the beginning towards me.

I was shocked to see black people in Kenya. Yes I was quite ignorant. They spoke dignified English with a British accent, and were loving and helpful.

"Dignified English?"

None of the Attitude of some American "African-Americans".

Right, because the little experiences you've had with African-Americans, somehow quantifies and qualifies your covert generalization of who I am or my family or the millions of other families and how they conduct themselves only to be shocked and awed that blacks in the African country of Kenya, can speak "dignified English" cause you know, us African-Americans ain't knowing how to speak dat English pretty well.

I came back with a deep love for people of any color including Africans. No Black, or person of color, African or not was ever mean to me when I was a Hijabi

Good for you, you were fortunate to have dealt with people who were raised with manners congratulations!

So, Mister, Do not spew your hatred and sense of injustice at me. I did not abuse you!

Who in the hell is spewing hatred towards you? I'm thinking you are having a severe misunderstanding at comprehending what I wrote. I clearly refuted the notion of "we are all immigrants" because historically we all are not immigrants. Some of our ancestral history resides in the fact that some people's ancestral lineage came in the form of bondage that is it! I never said @Ellen Brown you were responsible for my ancestral pain or this or that I was clearly refuting the notion of "we are all immigrants" because historically that is false. I mentioned that I check Latinos on this revisionist idea because I understand this is an argument many in the Hispanic community use in regards to the issue of immigration reform. Nothing that I said towards you or anyone else here was of hatred and perhaps you are doing a little projection here because clearly, this dissertation you wrote to me is indicative that my points went right over your head.

After reading some of your background I also think some of the residual elements of your upbringing still exist within you judging by some of your word usage in your response towards me. I'm glad you're performing your own behavioral modification, but as someone who is older than me I have to say though you have some more growing to do just like me and everyone else here. Regardless of your multicultural experiences I think you need to rid yourself of some of the right-wing talking points for example I highlighted some things you said in response to me:

"Black Card"

A typical right-wing conservative talking point to assume that by me highlighting some of my pain from an ethnic standpoint somehow conjures me using a card to gain an advantage even though I'm literally sharing my own experiences as a minority as well as the experiences of other minorities in this country.

"Dignified English"

(Let me also add that I understood this as a jab in reference to African-Americans use of colloquialism of the English language such as slang words etc. I find it ironic you mention the use of how others speak english because in some of YOUR responses in other threads, if I read it out loud it would seem that you don't have a complete grasp of the English language yourself, considering how you conjugate verbs and nouns. Before you comment on how someone else speaks, make sure you can articulate yourself perfectly without sounding like a five year-old).

"Reverse Discrimination"

No such thing as reverse discrimination but a lot of right-wingers tend to use this talking point to victimize a majority group who historically has created systems of discriminatory practices against minority groups. First off, I'm in no position of power to reversely discriminate towards you. We are on an internet forum! How can I practically discriminate against you here! LOL

(Drops mic slowly walks away)

 

[Ellen Brown]

Wait, who said you had a part of anything? Who is being childish here? I'm clearly refuting the illogical notion that my ethnic group is a historical migrant here. This is not a true statement hence the term "African-American" African origins with an American nationality. Finally, who is practicing "reverse discrimination?" There is no such thing as reverse discrimination like reverse racism, you either discriminate or don't.



Ah I wonder when someone was going to use this.



Good for you, but my experiences have nothing to do with you.



Ah I see which is why you tell me to "stop reverse discrimination right, because you know, you experience it with some black people therefore you telling me here is going to change that right? you don't need to pat yourself on the back to me, I commend you what people ought to do anyway.



You are in no moral position to tell a Jew to get over the holocaust as you are to tell an African-American or a Latino to get over the system of racism in the United States.




This may explain a couple of your comments in the beginning towards me.



"Dignified English?"



Right because there are the little experiences you had with African-Americans or blacks certainly gave you a picture of who I am or my family or the millions of other families behave only to be shocked and awed that blacks in the African country of Kenya, can speak "dignified English" cause you know, black folks ain't knowing how to speak dat English pretty well.



Good for you, you were fortunate to have dealt with people who were raised with manners congratulations!



Who in the hell is spewing hatred towards you? I'm thinking you are having a severe misunderstanding at comprehending what I wrote. I clearly refuted the notion of "we are all immigrants" because historically we all are not immigrants. Some of our ancestral history resides in the fact that some people's ancestral lineage came in the form of bondage that is it! I never said @Ellen Brown you were responsible for my ancestral pain or this or that I was clearly refuting the notion of "we are all immigrants" because historically that is false. I mentioned that I check Latinos on this revisionist idea because I understand this is an argument many in the Hispanic community use in regards to the issue of immigration reform. Nothing that I said towards you or anyone else here was of hatred and perhaps you are doing a little projection here because clearly, this dissertation you wrote to me is indicative that my points went right over your head.

And if I differ with you and stand up to you, you start hitting me, right?

 

[Epic Beard Man]

And if I differ with you and stand up to you, you start hitting me, right?

Stand up to me for what? We are on a discussion forum where disagreements happen. The point where I get serious is when people make accusatory remarks of me being racist, hateful etc. I know in some of my comments I sound racially biased because on certain subjects of race I am especially when my ethnic group is the subject of discussion, but I'm also fair in the critique of my own ethnic group and the ignorance that resides within my own culture. I'm a professional and I deal with accusations all the time at work so I take that serious and so if you're going to respond in kind you better damn sure you have proof that I'm making hateful comments towards you.

Now that we have exponentially moved away from the actual subject.......

 

[Ellen Brown]

Stand up to me for what? We are on a discussion forum where disagreements happen. The point where I get serious is when people make accusatory remarks of me being racist, hateful etc. I know in some of my comments I sound racially biased because on certain subjects of race I am especially when my ethnic group is the subject of discussion, but I'm also fair in the critique of my own ethnic group and the ignorance that resides within my own culture. I'm a professional and I deal with accusations all the time at work so I take that serious and so if you're going to respond in kind you better damn sure you have proof that I'm making hateful comments towards you.

Now that we have exponentially moved away from the actual subject.......

Again, I am sorry, no excuses.

 

[Stevicus]

Regarding the OP article about the Iowa student who was killed, it appears that the illegal immigrant who was arrested in the killing had been living for the past four years rent-free on property owned by a GOP fundraiser.

Iowa murder suspect lived on land owned by prominent GOP fundraiser

IOWA CITY, Iowa — A top Republican fundraiser whose firm works for several prominent immigration hardliners is the partial owner of the land where the Mexican immigrant accused of killing Iowa college student Mollie Tibbetts lived rent-free, a farm spokeswoman said Friday.

Nicole Schlinger has long been a key fundraiser and campaign contractor for GOP politicians in Iowa and beyond, including this cycle for Texas Sen. Ted Cruz and Virginia Senate candidate Corey Stewart.

Schlinger is the president of Campaign Headquarters, a call center that makes fundraising calls, identifies supporters and helps turn out voters for conservative candidates and groups. Her business is one of the largest in Brooklyn, the central Iowa town where Tibbetts disappeared while out for a run on July 18.

Schlinger is married to Eric Lang, the president of the family-owned dairy that has acknowledged providing employment and housing for the last four years to Cristhian Bahena Rivera, the man charged with murder in Tibbetts' death.

Schlinger's business calls itself "the best conservative call center in America." Her biography claims she is the most prolific fundraiser in Iowa GOP history, having brought in more than $50 million for politicians and causes. She has said her business has made millions of phone calls for candidates seeking offices ranging from president to city council since its founding in 1999. Her firm's client list includes several politicians who routinely call for stricter immigration enforcement.

And yet, here they are, employing illegal immigrants. Hypocrites to the very core.

They claim they didn't know he was in the country illegally.

Schlinger and her husband have managed to largely avoid the intense media spotlight that has followed the case. They did not speak at a press conference Wednesday when farm manager Dane Lang said Rivera presented an out-of-state identification and Social Security number with a different name when he was hired in 2014. Dane Lang said he was shocked to learn to that Rivera's allegedly not in the country legally.

But others around town, including Rivera's defense lawyer, question whether the family had to have had suspicions, if not known, about Rivera's immigration status.

"They are taking a blind eye to what's going on," said defense lawyer Allan Richards. "At some point a reasonable person would have been more diligent in determining whether or not these folks are legal."