Trump's Conviction and the 6th Amendment.

[McBell]

And what I heard was a maximum of 4 years and ir course minimum probation. But I never heard confirmation if that was 4 years per verdict or not.

From post #9:

as these were considered minor felonies, the judge cannot order incarceration to run consecutively, only concurrently. Thus, the maximum possible jail time is 4 years.​

 

[Pogo]

And what I heard was a maximum of 4 years and ir course minimum probation. But I never heard confirmation if that was 4 years per verdict or not.

Max is 4 years per charge but since all charges are in relation to the same event, the illegal payment, typically they would be served concurrently rather than serially. As for minimum who knows, but being non-violent first offence. (that he got tried for) probably fine and probation maybe minimum jail.

 

[Copernicus]

Can we send all these people back to 9th grade civics class for remediation?
Or has postmodernism just reached Kafkaesque proportions and time to end it all.

Do they still teach civics in high school? I don't see a lot of evidence that MAGA-besotted voters understand how our government works or representative democracies in general. Speaker Johnson seems to think that SCOTUS has the power to overturn specific criminal convictions, even when not held in a federal court. Trump just called the US a fascist country, and Ohio Senator Vance, hoping to be picked for the VP running mate, refused to disagree with him. MAGA Republicans seem to think that Presidents are, or should be, absolute dictators, but only when they are not Joe Biden or any other Democrat.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Accept the verdict and allow for the slim possibility that Trump can actually find an error that might cause some change in the verdict. Considering the speed with which the guilty verdicts were returned, the chances of a full reversal are slim to zilch.
The trial is over, Trump was convicted, to wait for Trump to file all the frivolous appeals that he normally does till you accept the verdict is perverse and snacks of denial.

The appeal will determine my position on the matter. Not one trial.

 

[Twilight Hue]

From post #9:

as these were considered minor felonies, the judge cannot order incarceration to run consecutively, only concurrently. Thus, the maximum possible jail time is 4 years.​

Trump seems to think it's going to be over a century consecutively.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The jury was told that they did not need to be unanimous on what the second crime was. instead they were given three possibilities, not defined by the prosecution, to pick from. Each juror could have a different crime and still convict him of all 34 felonies.

When I served on jury, there was deliberations if the guy was guilty or not and then there was "choosing" if the guy used a gun or not.
Learn how the system works.

 

[Pogo]

Trump seems to think it's going to be over a century consecutively.

Well then he thinks wrong as his lawyers have no doubt informed him.
Apparently in NYS this low level of felony charges are to be served concurrently.
Can't find the link just now. This is just bluster for his ignorant followers, either that or he truly is mentally incompetent.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Trump seems to think it's going to be over a century consecutively.

Trump probably doesn't know the difference between concurrent and consecutive.

 

[Twilight Hue]

When I served on jury, there was deliberations if the guy was guilty or not and then there was "choosing" if the guy used a gun or not.
Learn how the system works.

Did it have over 30 charges?

 

[Pogo]

Trump seems to think it's going to be over a century consecutively.

New York Consolidated Laws, Penal Law - PEN § 70.25 Concurrent and consecutive terms of imprisonment. (b) A definite sentence shall run concurrently with any sentence imposed at the same time and shall be consecutive to any other term.
New York Consolidated Laws, Penal Law - PEN § 70.25
https://codes.findlaw.com/ny/penal-law/pen-sect-70-25/#:~:text=New York Consolidated Laws, Penal Law - PEN § 70.25 Concurrent,and consecutive terms of imprisonment&text=(b) A definite sentence shall,consecutive to any other term.
FindLaw

For nonviolent offences multiple counts adjudicated at the same time as is the case here are served concurrently, That is the rule and Trump's diaper is full as usual.

 

[fantome profane]

The appeal will determine my position on the matter. Not one trial.

Or you could just say it is what it is.

I'll just say it is what it is, and life goes on.

 

[Pogo]

Or you could just say it is what it is.

Gotta keep that tiny little doubt there to maintain beliefs.
Kick the can down the road.
Why do today that which you can put off till tomorrow.
Somewhere over the rainbow.
What if?
What if?
What if?

What is it with these people?

 

[sun rise]

That's why I think it's suspect. All convictions are across the board? Every one of them? Not a single not guilty anywhere to be found? That's really weird.

Has that ever happened anywhere else in other cases involving dozens of charges aside from despot countries where the conviction is completely and ultimately across the board?

I'll accept the appeal though once it concludes.

You can't credit that the criminal committed crimes but convict Democrats with no evidence presented in a court of law.

 

[Copernicus]

That's why I think it's suspect. All convictions are across the board? Every one of them? Not a single not guilty anywhere to be found? That's really weird.

People do get convicted of crimes, and all jurors must find the defendant guilty in criminal trials of this sort. The jury that convicted Trump of sexually molesting E Jean Carroll was also unanimous, even though it was a civil trial.

Has that ever happened anywhere else in other cases involving dozens of charges aside from despot countries where the conviction is completely and ultimately across the board?

Yes. It happens all the time in the US.

I'll accept the appeal though once it concludes.

That's how it works, but Trump is a convicted criminal right now in the eyes of the law. You ought to accept that until an appeal exonerates him. There don't seem to be very good grounds for an appeals court to overturn a unanimous jury on 34 felony counts, but I don't want to dampen your hopes. You really ought to take a look at Donald Trump's history. He has been getting away with breaking laws for a long time. He is the nation's most famous scofflaw, not to mention adulterer, oathbreaker, tax cheat, and deadbeat.

 

[Pogo]

People do get convicted of crimes, and all jurors must find the defendant guilty in criminal trials of this sort. The jury that convicted Trump of sexually molesting E Jean Carroll was also unanimous, even though it was a civil trial.



Yes. It happens all the time in the US.



That's how it works, but Trump is a convicted criminal right now in the eyes of the law. You ought to accept that until an appeal exonerates him. There don't seem to be very good grounds for an appeals court to overturn a unanimous jury on 34 felony counts, but I don't want to dampen your hopes. You really ought to take a look at Donald Trump's history. He has been getting away with breaking laws for a long time. He is the nation's most famous scofflaw, not to mention adulterer, oathbreaker, tax cheat, and deadbeat.

And draft-dodger

 

[We Never Know]

And draft-dodger

Remind me... How many draft deferments did Biden get?

 

[Revoltingest]

Remind me... How many draft deferments did Biden get?

And Clinton.
Obama was never even subject to conscription.
I'll bet he doesn't even know what his draft
lottery number was.
Liberals so often have a problem when Pubs
don't serve in the military. But they never
apply that standard to their own.
And they appear to be quite comfortable
with government's authority to draft healthy
young men by random choice....no problem
with the caprice, the sexism, the loss of right.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Did it have over 30 charges?

Irrelevant.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

And Clinton.
Obama was never even subject to conscription.
I'll bet he doesn't even know what his draft
lottery number was.
Liberals so often have a problem when Pubs
don't serve in the military. But they never
apply that standard to their own.
And they appear to be quite comfortable
with government's authority to draft healthy
young men by random choice....no problem
with the caprice, the sexism, the loss of right.

I suspect it it became "active" again we'd probably hear different positions. But that's more of a nasty short coming of humans is we tend to not address something until it is relevant, which often times is too late.
By the way, Obama probably doesn't know because he was a kid when that happened.

 

[Revoltingest]

I suspect it it became "active" again we'd probably hear different positions. But that's more of a nasty short coming of humans is we tend to not address something until it is relevant, which often times is too late.
By the way, Obama probably doesn't know because he was a kid when that happened.

I made a funny. As I recall, Obama wouldn't
have a draft lottery number. But he wouldn't
be aware of this.