Trump's divisive Comments

[viole]

I wish we knew what he said or did. I have quite the interest in that topic, and have studied intensely, and cannot answer with certainty.

But I think he was ready to start a war that would have killed tens of thousands of his fellow Jews.

The temple was on shaky ground, the attendants were half a million angry people, and Pilate and Caiaphas only job was to keep peace at any cost.

The temple fell a few decades later from a similar action. And hundreds of thousands died.

Obviously so. All of John revelation does not seem like an act of love at all.

So, either killing around can still pass as an act of love (which would need a redefinition of what love is) or the Bible (NT) is inherently contradictory.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Nietzsche]

Yes, well. But I am addressing JC, not JFK. Maybe I am naive, but I would expect that Christians give priority to the former, not the latter.

That would actually work only if dropping atomic bombs frying babies in their craddle can be considered an act of love towards our enemies.

Look, I agree. But I see some big contradictions with the message of Jesus, here.

Ciao

- viole

Ever heard of the term "Greater Evil"? Imperial Japan, Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy are the poster-children for "Greater Evil".

 

[viole]

Ever heard of the term "Greater Evil"? Imperial Japan, Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy are the poster-children for "Greater Evil".

Yet, I am not aware of Jesus singling out greater evils where exceptions might apply. He just mentions enemies, as far as I remember from my days as a believer.

But I might be wrong. Am I?

Ciao

- viole

 

[outhouse]

All of John revelation does not seem like an act of love at all.

John the Baptist taught jesus all he knew imho

 

[viole]

John the Baptist taught jesus all he knew imho

Which was a serious mistake. Look who got promoted. Lol

Ciao

- viole

 

[Sleeppy]

Do you really think there is a sliver of a chance that anyone can "change the minds" of ISIS?

I know without a doubt it can be done. But, they're not the only ones that need to be reborn.

 

[Nietzsche]

Yet, I am not aware of Jesus singling out greater evils where exceptions might apply. He just mentions enemies, as far as I remember from my days as a believer.

But I might be wrong. Am I?

Ciao

- viole

Jesus came from a time when the worst a conquering army would do is rape your women and steal your food. Times have changed. So have we.

The 20th Century gave birth to the single most despicable act ever done. An entire continent was turned into a charnel-house in the name of "racial purity" and the least-horrible act committed by a conquering force was just to rape your women and steal your food. Millions were gassed, shot, burned alive or subjected to experiments purely in the name of cruelty. Murder was industrialized. And it still wasn't as bad as it could have been. The Death Camps only began operation in 1943. They hadn't even reached peak capability when Hitler brought down Valhalla on him and his Reich(1945). The trains kept operating until the very end of the war. Inmates would starve to death. More would die of their injuries.

Jesus, and the Bible as a whole, lost all meaning then. No just, loving God would allow such a thing, and no Devil would order it be done. It was just us. We were it. The only people left believing in an interventionist, loving God after that are the naively optimistic or the hopelessly stupid.

 

[leibowde84]

I know without a doubt it can be done. But, they're not the only ones that need to be reborn.

What evidence do you have to support your claim that it can be done?

 

[outhouse]

LOS ANGELES, Dec 15 (Reuters) - Los Angeles shut down all of its schools on Tuesday, ordering some 643,000 students to stay home after officials received a threatening email, only weeks after a deadly Islamic State-inspired attack in San Bernardino.

Who is willing to gamble a single life by letting more muslims in the USA ?

How many murders is OK ?

 

[viole]

Jesus came from a time when the worst a conquering army would do is rape your women and steal your food. Times have changed. So have we.

The 20th Century gave birth to the single most despicable act ever done. An entire continent was turned into a charnel-house in the name of "racial purity" and the least-horrible act committed by a conquering force was just to rape your women and steal your food. Millions were gassed, shot, burned alive or subjected to experiments purely in the name of cruelty. Murder was industrialized. And it still wasn't as bad as it could have been. The Death Camps only began operation in 1943. They hadn't even reached peak capability when Hitler brought down Valhalla on him and his Reich(1945). The trains kept operating until the very end of the war. Inmates would starve to death. More would die of their injuries.

Jesus, and the Bible as a whole, lost all meaning then. No just, loving God would allow such a thing, and no Devil would order it be done. It was just us. We were it. The only people left believing in an interventionist, loving God after that are the naively optimistic or the hopelessly stupid.

My point, really.

Yet, from a Christian perspectve, Jesus should have seen it coming. But He did not. Or He did, but felt no compulsion to include an exception clause in His commandment to love ones enemies.

I wonder what is more likely.

Ciao

- viole

 

[outhouse]

Jesus came from a time when the worst a conquering army would do is rape your women and steal your food.

Romans killed Jews by the hundreds of thousands.

Enslaved thousands. About the time Jesus was born Sepphoris was leveled 5 miles from his village. Thousands murdered and a few thousands placed into slavery, which was also a death sentence depending on what type a slave you would be.

 

[outhouse]

His commandment to love ones enemies.

He probably never stated this.


The authors of the NT did. Guess what they were writing to and for a Roman audience. They did not want to be labeled as trouble making jews, they wanted to separate themselves and not be viewed as trouble makers.

That is the context of said text

 

[outhouse]

WASHINGTON — A 30-year-old Maryland man faces a series of terror-related charges involving his alleged receipt of nearly $9,000 in wire transfers in recent months from Islamic State terror group contacts in Egypt and Syria, federal authorities said Monday.

Mohamed Elshinawy of Edgewood, Md., is accused of receiving the payments in small amounts between March and late June and was allegedly instructed to use the funds for "operational purposes,'' according to court documents.


When will you learn normal looking muslims are a danger to the safety of the people in this land??????

 

[Nietzsche]

Romans killed Jews by the hundreds of thousands.

Enslaved thousands. About the time Jesus was born Sepphoris was leveled 5 miles from his village. Thousands murdered and a few thousands placed into slavery, which was also a death sentence depending on what type a slave you would be.

Rome's atrocities were still in the name of economic exploitation. Rome had no real prejudices. It only wanted to conquer, assimilate and conquer again. Those who resisted would be crushed under the Legions. They came, saw & conquered. That's it.

A Jew living in Rome(the city) had nothing to fear from the Legions so long as he paid his taxes.

 

[viole]

He probably never stated this.


The authors of the NT did. Guess what they were writing to and for a Roman audience. They did not want to be labeled as trouble making jews, they wanted to separate themselves and not be viewed as trouble makers.

That is the context of said text

Probably.

But Christians do not necessarily believe that. Which should be plenty to cause them unresolved cognitive dissonances. So, if I am a Christian and believe that the message of the Christ is unconditionally true, why should I carry a gun or nuke my enemies out of existence?

The only logical explanation is that Christians, in general, do not believe that what Jesus said must be taken at face value, either.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

We dropped two atomic bombs which can be argued saved millions of Japanese lives and hundreds of thousands of USA soldiers lives.

It's arguable that killing 99.9% of the population save Noah and his family was beneficial to the human race's future, then.

The Japanese during this war were very barbaric people who did things so cruel, their wartime legacy needed to be stopped at any cost.

We have been barbaric. Should other countries try to stop us?

Better that a quarter million people "max estimate" die, then any of our own citizens stopping the axis of evil.

The only reason my late grandfather didn't die of radiation was that he wasn't able to be assigned to one of our own test sites, where we nuked OUR OWN FRICKIN' PEOPLE JUST TO SEE WHAT HAPPENED.

We stand for freedom, freedom for and from primitive religions and the fanaticism they breed. But that gift will only be stretched so far.

Fanatics think they can save God with bombs and guns. "We" think we can save freedom with bombs and guns...

Rightfully so. We were at war with these people.

War is a tool for the lazy. Diplomacy means you think intelligence will work. War kills future economic relationships. Diplomacy nurtures them.

There are cost to be paid for war, and when Japan decided to take on a sleeping giant, they themselves created this circumstance. They have their previous government to blame.

Yes, they were barbaric and too stupid to realize just how low we'd go ourselves.

 

[Useless2015]

LOS ANGELES, Dec 15 (Reuters) - Los Angeles shut down all of its schools on Tuesday, ordering some 643,000 students to stay home after officials received a threatening email, only weeks after a deadly Islamic State-inspired attack in San Bernardino.

Who is willing to gamble a single life by letting more muslims in the USA ?

How many murders is OK ?

The American government just want to pass a bunch of laws concerning you're privacy.

Still no money for homeless Americans and whole lot of money for the idea of security.

 

[Useless2015]

Double

 

[Nietzsche]

WASHINGTON — A 30-year-old Maryland man faces a series of terror-related charges involving his alleged receipt of nearly $9,000 in wire transfers in recent months from Islamic State terror group contacts in Egypt and Syria, federal authorities said Monday.

Mohamed Elshinawy of Edgewood, Md., is accused of receiving the payments in small amounts between March and late June and was allegedly instructed to use the funds for "operational purposes,'' according to court documents.


When will you learn normal looking muslims are a danger to the safety of the people in this land??????

Right. Beware Der Ewige Moslem and his sleeper-agents! They come for our precious bodily fluids!

Give me a ****ing break. You're supposed to be better than this.

 

[outhouse]

It's arguable that killing 99.9% of the population save Noah and his family was beneficial to the human race's future, then.

There is no comparing biblical mythology with stopping the axis of evil.