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Trump's Instruction to Neo-Nazis: Stand Back and Stand By,

If you think Freudian Slips are false equivalence...
Saying Biden is as narcissistic as Trump is false equivalence.

Hey Twighlight Hue, some advice: when your best argument is "your side is just as bad as my side" ... look inward. ;)

As to the socialism, or neo socialism for that matter, I think its time to start looking at parallels to see if Trump's allegations are true or false by way of seeing whats actually manifesting as a result of real world implementation of policies. You could say the same thing for fascism to be fair about it.
Biden started off by saying his plan for health care is not the socialist plan. He was criticized by actual socialists in the Democratic primary. The party made its choice and that choice was Biden. Trump responded by lying and interrupting. We can debate this all we want but Biden's point was not about how great he is it was about how the party didn't pick socialism contrary to Trump's interruptions.
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
He has no shame. He has no decency. He has no integrity. He has no compassion. He has no empathy.

Here's what one Brit, Nate White, said about how he and the British perceive Trump (dated today, Sep 30, 2020). From British Writer Pens The Best Description Of Trump I’ve Read - London Daily:

“Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?” Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England wrote the following response:

A few things spring to mind. Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem. For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace – all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed. So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing – not once, ever. I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility – for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman. But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is – his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.

Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers. And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults – he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.

There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface. Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront. Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul. And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist. Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that. He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat. He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.

And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully. That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead. There are unspoken rules to this stuff – the Queensberry rules of basic decency – and he breaks them all. He punches downwards – which a gentleman should, would, could never do – and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless – and he kicks them when they are down.

So the fact that a significant minority – perhaps a third – of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think ‘Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:

• Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.
• You don’t need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.

This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss. After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of ****. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum. God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid. He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart. In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws – he would make a Trump.​
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
I'm standing back & standing by.
But I plan to do this no matter what happens.

I'll be pleased to see Mr Trump leave office.
But not so pleased to see Biden enter it.
Stuck between a rock and a hard place, are we Rev?
I oftentimes feel that way with my political parties.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
What sort of behavior did Obama display to give them this impression?
I don't recall any specific behavior, just objections
to his policies, eg, Obamacare being a power grab.
But his being a Marxist (their claim, not mine) figured
strongly in sensing indicate possibility of a coup.

I had no luck alleviating their fears.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
He didn't pay taxes because he lost money. He bankrupted six businesses and most of his current businesses are not profitable. It is not known how much personal debt he has but it is known that he has debts.
Without having any numbers, only from his behaviour and that of (really) rich people, I guess that his net worth is less than a tenth of his claimed worth.
You pointed out the salient fact, ie, we don't have quantitative
analysis. My best guess is to go with Dan Alexander's estimate,
since he did years of research on Trump's financial dealings &
status. His hostility (reasonably justified) to Trump comports
with his neutrality (my impression). He believes Trump to be
a billionaire (assets - debt = equity), but not nearly as wealthy
as much so as he wants us to believe.

About real estate investments....
One can lose money on some, make money on others, &
have a long term net loss, yet still see one's equity rise.
And rising equity is untaxed unless a taxable event occurs,
eg, sale. I'd have to see his returns and his financial statement.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
I don't recall any specific behavior, just objections
to his policies, eg, Obamacare being a power grab.
But his being a Marxist (their claim, not mine) figured
strongly in sensing indicate possibility of a coup.

I had no luck alleviating their fears.
Oh. Of course. The classic "liberals = satanic communists who seek world domination" nonsense.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Stuck between a rock and a hard place, are we Rev?
I oftentimes feel that way with my political parties.
No, not quite.
I'm a conscious objector to the dramatic infighting between
Dems & Pubs. I affect what I can, which is local & little.
The rest causes no worry. Although I'll admit that if we
went to war with Russia or China, my concern would escalate.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
No, not quite.
I'm a conscious objector to the dramatic infighting between
Dems & Pubs. I affect what I can, which is local & little.
The rest causes no worry. Although I'll admit that if we
went to war with Russia or China, my concern would escalate.
Isn’t dramatic infighting a staple of Politics and especially American politics?
Although I agree with the increased concern should you go at with with Russia or China. We are allies, after all.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
I'd have to see his returns and his financial statement.
Which he protects as much as his grades. That could be because he cheated on his taxes or because he is lying about his wealth (or both). Either way, he doesn't look good. But between his crookedness and his narcissism I go with Hanlon's Razor.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Does seem rather to gather more and more spectacle as the days wear on.


Aww Rev, I’m hurt. Did we Australiastanis not rally to your call for arms post 9/11?
If Americanstan goes to war, what choice do your allies have?
Oh....you're allies with us....not China or Russia.
(I didn't remember where you live.)
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Which he protects as much as his grades. That could be because he cheated on his taxes or because he is lying about his wealth (or both). Either way, he doesn't look good. But between his crookedness and his narcissism I go with Hanlon's Razor.
I go with an electric razor.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
Oh....you're allies with us....not China or Russia.
(I didn't remember where you live.)
Australia. We’re your allies, as far as I’m aware, anyway. The situation between us and China does seem a bit tense but we trade with them. Not sure where we stand with Russia. I keep getting conflicting accounts. I can’t speak on the US -Russia/ China relations as it stands, though, since you’d be more familiar with that than I.
 
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