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Trumps is thinking about firing Rod Rosenstien

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Nope. POTUS can veto any bill by the fact of the position and it's authority.
No he can't.
It takes a super majority to override a veto. But it does happen.
And I think it would in this case, because Trump's deceit and political liability cut across party lines.

Trump's crap doesn't play well, not everywhere. The Republicans who need Trump's base to get reelected could be allowed to vote with him, but the rest plus the Democrats are probably enough to get a veto proof majority.
Probably. Maybe not.

But no, Trump can't just veto anything he wants.
Tom
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
You do realize that it's within his power to legally fire Mueller? How do you think this would be an impeachable action?
Firing the head of the FBI investigation for a 2nd time could be obstruction of justice. Trump is so guilty, never believe a word out of his mouth. He's a confidence man and has fooled millions.
 

Phantasman

Well-Known Member
It's gone beyond Russian collusion. Couldn't find anything to hang Trump with so they are going beyond the original mandate to just dig up anything.

Watching what was being found or not found used to be something to keep people interested in. But now it has turned into a soap opera, like those glued to Days of Our Lives to find out what character was screwing who. The MSM has nothing but this to pay the bills. They can't make money showing good or positive news. Just speculative news that they have to continue to correct.

I don't care if it's Trump or Pense as long as they stay on the same path we have been on since Jan 2017.
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
You do realize that it's within his power to legally fire Mueller? How do you think this would be an impeachable action? What Congressman would risk his career with such a foolish move? Maybe the haters would be better served if they would try to find legitimate ways to gain the presidency instead of these nonsensical impeachment fantasies.
Where were you during the "we must impeach Obama NOW!" craze?
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
It's gone beyond Russian collusion. Couldn't find anything to hang Trump with so they are going beyond the original mandate to just dig up anything.

Watching what was being found or not found used to be something to keep people interested in. But now it has turned into a soap opera, like those glued to Days of Our Lives to find out what character was screwing who. The MSM has nothing but this to pay the bills. They can't make money showing good or positive news. Just speculative news that they have to continue to correct.

I don't care if it's Trump or Pense as long as they stay on the same path we have been on since Jan 2017.

It appears that you do not know how investigations are run. Were you around during the Clinton investigation? We heard practically nothing, except for who was being investigate, just as we here today, until the investigation was done. The same should be the case today. He may have found all sorts of evidence in regards to Russia. They are merely following the evidence today. It appears to be more likely that the investigation has grown because Trump was more crooked than originally thought.
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Well yes and no. When it comes to international politics I can't think of a looser cannon than Trump. But when it comes to lunatic religious beliefs and the willingness to try to impose those beliefs upon others you might have a point.
Does Pence have any international anything beyond "Israel, right or wrong!"
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Does Pence have any international anything beyond "Israel, right or wrong!"

I have not heard anything. And a seasoned politician would hopefully not make the unsupported attacks against both countries and business both home and abroad that Trump has made. My one major worry with Trump is him involving us in some sort of chicken hawk war.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
It's gone beyond Russian collusion. Couldn't find anything to hang Trump with so they are going beyond the original mandate to just dig up anything.
Insisting that Trump has to be guilty of something or it's all for nothing really misses the point of the investigation in the first place. It was a bipartisan effort to find out about Russian meddling which they found and GOP confirmed before prematurely shutting down their part of the investigation. If they keep finding more stuff then they should get to the bottom of it not sweep it under the rug because it isnt the right sort of crime they are looking for.
 

Phantasman

Well-Known Member
It appears that you do not know how investigations are run. Were you around during the Clinton investigation? We heard practically nothing, except for who was being investigate, just as we here today, until the investigation was done. The same should be the case today. He may have found all sorts of evidence in regards to Russia. They are merely following the evidence today. It appears to be more likely that the investigation has grown because Trump was more crooked than originally thought.
Maybe, maybe not. No one knows. But if special council has moved into things other than Russian collusion, it appears he has all the Russian answers he needs. It isn't a Trump investigation. It is a Trump-Russia collusion by Trumps campaign. It seems to have morphed into finding anything Trump did even 10 years ago.

The mandate is specific. Paying a hooker 10 years ago has nothing to do with the mandate. Mueller is out of paths obviously. If he makes another move that isn't mandate related, Trump needs to fire this clown and let the chips fall where they may. At least he can move forward with being a President rather than dealing with excuses for Democrats that spend millions of taxpayers dollars to still try and win the 2016 election.

Talk about crying over spilt milk.
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
Where were you during the "we must impeach Obama NOW!" craze?

Saying the exact same thing I'm saying now. Obama was the worst president we've ever had, but I opposed him on his policies, not his personality. Obama, like the current president, never had an actionable charge placed against him; and until that day comes the Office of the President of the United States deserves respect no matter who you voted for.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Maybe, maybe not. No one knows. But if special council has moved into things other than Russian collusion, it appears he has all the Russian answers he needs. It isn't a Trump investigation. It is a Trump-Russia collusion by Trumps campaign. It seems to have morphed into finding anything Trump did even 10 years ago.

The mandate is specific. Paying a hooker 10 years ago has nothing to do with the mandate. Mueller is out of paths obviously. If he makes another move that isn't mandate related, Trump needs to fire this clown and let the chips fall where they may. At least he can move forward with being a President rather than dealing with excuses for Democrats that spend millions of taxpayers dollars to still try and win the 2016 election.

Talk about crying over spilt milk.
That often happens with investigations and investigators tend to be a tight lipped bunch, until it is time to show what one has found out. Letting on how much is actually known in any investigation can allow the object of the investigation to cover up wrong doings that may not have been otherwise.

Just be patient. If Trump is innocent he will be even stronger. If he is guilty those opposing him will finally be able to say "I told you so".
 

Thermos aquaticus

Well-Known Member
Maybe, maybe not. No one knows. But if special council has moved into things other than Russian collusion, it appears he has all the Russian answers he needs. It isn't a Trump investigation. It is a Trump-Russia collusion by Trumps campaign. It seems to have morphed into finding anything Trump did even 10 years ago.

Actually, Mueller and Rosenstein determined that the whole Cohen thing was outside Mueller's mandate so they passed it on what they had to the US Attorneys office who handled it from there. As it turns out, potential bank fraud and violations of campaign finance laws are within the mandate of the US Attorneys office.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
Maybe, maybe not. No one knows. But if special council has moved into things other than Russian collusion, it appears he has all the Russian answers he needs. It isn't a Trump investigation. It is a Trump-Russia collusion by Trumps campaign. It seems to have morphed into finding anything Trump did even 10 years ago.

The mandate is specific. Paying a hooker 10 years ago has nothing to do with the mandate. Mueller is out of paths obviously. If he makes another move that isn't mandate related, Trump needs to fire this clown and let the chips fall where they may. At least he can move forward with being a President rather than dealing with excuses for Democrats that spend millions of taxpayers dollars to still try and win the 2016 election.

Talk about crying over spilt milk.
All thats going on with Trumps lawyer and you think he is completely clean? Trumps fan boy base will be in denial forever it seems.
 

Phantasman

Well-Known Member
All thats going on with Trumps lawyer and you think he is completely clean? Trumps fan boy base will be in denial forever it seems.
Funny. I go to a conservative thread I get the same as a liberal thread. Just division.

Trump is the President of the US. He was elected by the process of a Democratic Republic. People want a Democracy over a Republic. That's fine with me if they go that route.

Until then, as an American, I accept the sitting President. I accepted Obama as well, even though I disagreed with his second term.

I see the Trump haters as well as the Trump lovers.

No one was completely clean. I hear Trump lies. So did Obama (keep your doctor and insurance). But liberal minds only see one thing. I try to see both sides and take the best from each. Fast and Furious? Server misuses? Etc. Etc.

I see them both. So far, all I have seen from Trump is that he was a horny guy. Heaven forbid anyone here would admit to that themselves. Ya'll are Sooooooooo clean. Not like that dumb President.

No one ever talks about his Presidential acts. Just his personal shortcomings.

I could care less if Barack Obama married a transsexual. But it was sure an argument in conservative sites.

I just want to see America great again.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Funny. I go to a conservative thread I get the same as a liberal thread. Just division.

Trump is the President of the US. He was elected by the process of a Democratic Republic. People want a Democracy over a Republic. That's fine with me if they go that route.

Until then, as an American, I accept the sitting President. I accepted Obama as well, even though I disagreed with his second term.

I see the Trump haters as well as the Trump lovers.

No one was completely clean. I hear Trump lies. So did Obama (keep your doctor and insurance). But liberal minds only see one thing. I try to see both sides and take the best from each. Fast and Furious? Server misuses? Etc. Etc.

I see them both. So far, all I have seen from Trump is that he was a horny guy. Heaven forbid anyone here would admit to that themselves. Ya'll are Sooooooooo clean. Not like that dumb President.

No one ever talks about his Presidential acts. Just his personal shortcomings.

I could care less if Barack Obama married a transsexual. But it was sure an argument in conservative sites.

I just want to see America great again.

Yep, Obama lied. But he did not appear to break any laws in doing so. Nor were his lies highly hypocritical. Nor was he a racist idiot as our current C in C is. The problem with Trump is that he appears to be far more crooked than "Crooked Hillary". And it will be hard to make America great again on a purely conservative theme. Though there are pluses to some of his policies there are countless negatives as well that outweigh the few pluses he has had. Frankly I want to get rid of extremism and obstructive opposition by both parties. Getting rid of Trump will be a step in the right direction of Making America Great Again.

Trump seems to merely want to Make America Grate Again. Not my idea of a good leader of the free world.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
No one was completely clean. I hear Trump lies. So did Obama (keep your doctor and insurance). But liberal minds only see one thing. I try to see both sides and take the best from each. Fast and Furious? Server misuses? Etc. Etc.

I see them both. So far, all I have seen from Trump is that he was a horny guy. Heaven forbid anyone here would admit to that themselves. Ya'll are Sooooooooo clean. Not like that dumb President.

No one ever talks about his Presidential acts. Just his personal shortcomings.
I talk about Trumps policies all the time and Trump is current president so his policies and negotiating skills are on full display for praise or cringing.

Ive never thought any politicians are the truthiest people in the world but Trump takes the cake on lies, he cant even negotiate with Canada without talking out of his Rump.
 
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