Does that mean you agree or disagree? Sometimes I can't tell.
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"Trump's Lies vs. Obama's"
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Does that mean you agree or disagree? Sometimes I can't tell.
Your premise, that the Bush administration threw the election for a few Democratic votes for NAFTA, is laughable.
Tom
Faithofchristian
Well-Known Member
Your right about that.
But when Hillary is investigated, it will lead all the way back to the FBI and then to obama, Seeing how Obama is the head to give the final Ok on all things.Stay Tune.
To believe any politician of any sort always tells the truth is just to admit how much of a fool you are.
Obama's administration spent its entire time gagging and obfuscating everything it did, and while I may think none of them completely honest, I prefer to be openly "misled" rather than be completely in the dark. Most of Trump's "lies" were really just misinformation, based on him having limited info at the time or having to change tracks after making a statement for one reason or another. The very idea of what a lie is can be very subjective in the first place. Anyway, this place needs a popcorn emote because I'm completely amused by the toxic Trump hate and eagerly awaiting the disease to kill the host for the good of us all.
tytlyf
Not Religious
You're just repeating what GOP media tells you. NY Times and CNN are much much much more credible than GOP media.
You do realize that GOP media like Fox and Rush aren't telling you the truth right?
All we need to know about Donny's lying is contained in this piece
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/manipulative-lies-sociopath-personality-rebecca-monet/
Manipulative Lies: Sociopath Personality
Maybe you’ve met Ivan.
You notice that his stories and timelines don’t match up. He’s surrounded by conflict, chaos and crazy making. He seems to think he is superior in all things. He discredits and maligns those who would challenge his superiority or authority. He’s a control freak, loves to do battle, gets angry easy and when things go wrong it’s never his fault.
He believes he is entitled to whatever he wants, no matter the means or consequence by which he acquires it. He is manipulative, opportunistic and ruthlessly focused on one thing: personal gain. He shows no remorse when he has injured another in fact seems to take delight in doing so. When caught lying the psychopath reacts by either compounding his lies or attacking the credibility or character of accuser (gas-lighting).
Psychopaths tell harmful lies, not mere white lies.
...
Psychopaths will engage in “smear campaigns” about their targets. These are lies that they tell about you to your family, friends, co-workers and others in your social circle. The psychopath’s objective with the smear campaign is to compromise your social support system, and therefore increase his control over you
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/manipulative-lies-sociopath-personality-rebecca-monet/
Manipulative Lies: Sociopath Personality
Maybe you’ve met Ivan.
You notice that his stories and timelines don’t match up. He’s surrounded by conflict, chaos and crazy making. He seems to think he is superior in all things. He discredits and maligns those who would challenge his superiority or authority. He’s a control freak, loves to do battle, gets angry easy and when things go wrong it’s never his fault.
He believes he is entitled to whatever he wants, no matter the means or consequence by which he acquires it. He is manipulative, opportunistic and ruthlessly focused on one thing: personal gain. He shows no remorse when he has injured another in fact seems to take delight in doing so. When caught lying the psychopath reacts by either compounding his lies or attacking the credibility or character of accuser (gas-lighting).
Psychopaths tell harmful lies, not mere white lies.
...
Psychopaths will engage in “smear campaigns” about their targets. These are lies that they tell about you to your family, friends, co-workers and others in your social circle. The psychopath’s objective with the smear campaign is to compromise your social support system, and therefore increase his control over you
Faithofchristian
Well-Known Member
Are you freaking kidding me.
At lease Foxnews and Rush, told the truth about Hillary was not going to win the election. Unlike CNN and NY Times and the other Mainstream News Media said Hillary will win and then she lost.
Obama gave more to Illegal immigrants and Muslims, all the while African Americans were in Proverty.
At lease with Trump, African Americans are buying more homes now in the history of this country than they ever did any other time in the history of this country.
Even Dr Ben Carson found $400. Million dollars to be missing in HUD. So where did this money go.
You know, African Americans could haved really used that money to help in prove their lives ?
You know that is right.
What's up with all that Go Figure
I never said a word about the Bush Administration, so I have no idea how you reached your conclusion about my "premise."
We've noticed.
Polls don't take voter suppression and electronic hacking into account.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Little lies or big lies?From the New York Times
By DAVID LEONHARDT, IAN PRASAD PHILBRICK and STUART A. THOMPSON
DEC. 14, 2017
"After we published a list of President Trump’s lies this summer, we heard a common response from his supporters. They said, in effect: Yes, but if you made a similar list for previous presidents, it would be just as bad.
We’ve set out to make that list. Here, you will find our attempt at a comprehensive catalog of the falsehoods that Barack Obama told while he was president. (We also discuss George W. Bush below, although the lack of real-time fact-checking during his presidency made a comprehensive list impossible.)
We applied the same conservative standard to Obama and Trump, counting only demonstrably and substantially false statements. The result: Trump is unlike any other modern president. He seems virtually indifferent to reality, often saying whatever helps him make the case he’s trying to make.
In his first 10 months in office, he has told 103 separate untruths, many of them repeatedly. Obama told 18 over his entire eight-year tenure. That’s an average of about two a year for Obama and about 124 a year for Trump.
Separately, we have updated our earlier list of Trump's lies, which also includes repeated falsehoods. This article counts only distinct falsehoods for both Trump and Obama.
If we had used a less strict standard, Trump would look even worse by comparison. He makes misleading statements and mild exaggerations – about economic statistics, his political opponents and many other subjects – far more often than Obama. We left out any statement that could be plausibly defended even if many people would disagree with the president's interpretation. We also left out modest quantitative errors, such as Trump's frequent imprecision with numbers.
We have used the word “lies” again here, as we did in our original piece. If anything, though, the word is unfair to Obama and Bush. When they became aware that they had been saying something untrue, they stopped doing it. Obama didn’t continue to claim that all Americans would be able to keep their existing health insurance under Obamacare, for example, and Bush changed the way he spoke about Iraq’s weapons capability.
Trump is different. When he is caught lying, he will often try to discredit people telling the truth, be they judges, scientists, F.B.I. or C.I.A. officials, journalists or members of Congress. Trump is trying to make truth irrelevant. It is extremely damaging to democracy, and it’s not an accident. It’s core to his political strategy.
As for Obama: His falsehoods tended to be attempts to make his own policies look better or to overstate a problem he was trying to solve. In a few cases, they seemed to be careless exaggerations he avoided repeating.
Over all, Obama rarely told demonstrable untruths as president. And he appears to have become more careful over time. We counted six straight-up falsehoods in his first year in office. Across his entire second four-year term, we counted the same number, six, only one of which came in his final year in office.
In all, we found 18 different bald untruths from Obama during his presidency. Trump told his 18th separate untruth in his third full week in office, and his list keeps growing.
In fact, Trump tells falsehoods about Obama and his administration more often than Obama told falsehoods about all subjects. Since his inauguration, Trump has told 10 separate untruths about Obama, including false allegations of wiretapping and false descriptions of Obamacare. We counted only two falsehoods Obama told about Bush.
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Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Not according to fact check. Fox isn't as dishonest as most liberals make it out to be.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Now who kept telling you, over and over, that Obama was/is the best you've ever had?
But you just couldn't see it.................
One reason amongst many was/is that he was/is honest.
Skwim
Veteran Member
Sorry, I assumed you knew that incumbent president Bush was running against Clinton. That it was the Bush administration trying to get NAFTA through Congress, and not really having any trouble. It was not particularly controversial, despite opposition from the unions. They claimed it would cause big jobs losses in the long term. The Republicans, and particularly the Bush administration, insisted that it wouldn't. Oops!
From my perspective, opposition from unions wasn't a big deal. My very Reagan Republican father was the human resources big shot of a "union free" industrial manufacturer. I didn't completely buy his "Unions are from Satan! (or at least protestants)" attitude. But I didn't see unions as authorities either.
I saw Clinton's signing NAFTA as pleasantly bipartisan*. And frankly, that was part of the reason I saw the Lewinski thing as rather a betrayal. The country was doing well, Clinton signed NAFTA, DOMA and DADT, ended Welfare, and launched the war on drugs and crime and we were at peace. I didn't care if he was a *********. As far as I could tell, the Republicans were doing all the damage to the country trying to get power back from a truly competent president, by turning a sexual kink into an Impeachable Offense. I was totally onboard with MoveOn.com from the beginning. Slap Slick's Willy and move on to something important. Let's keep capitalizing on the long term benefits of Reaganonomics and the Peace Dividend!
But no, the Republicans had to blow all that. And then morph into the party of partisanship and No.
I am sure Monica gave a better blow than Bush did.
Tom
* bipartisanship wasn't so extraordinary back then. It was kinda expected. Putting the good of the country above the party interests was the norm.
~ Heh. .. I see that a variation on sleazy sack is filtered~
Obama one of our best?Now who kept telling you, over and over, that Obama was/is the best you've ever had?
But you just couldn't see it.................
One reason amongst many was/is that he was/is honest.
Nah....
While I give him credit for not starting a war,
he did some pretty messed up things.
He was more of a Jimmy Carter (but more
damaging) than an Abraham Lincoln.
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tytlyf
Not Religious
Ya, FN and Rush predicted Hillary would lose......
You really believe that.
Nope.
Donald Trump wrong about black homeownership rate
Nope.
FACT CHECK: Did Ben Carson Discover $500 Billion in Accounting Errors at HUD?
Nothing you said is right. Which is why I warn people to not get information from GOP outlets.
Fox is all about deception and propaganda. Anyone who watches all media can tell the difference very easily. I understand Fox tells you to never change the channel.
This one?
FOX's file: | PunditFact
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Nice try but that dog don't hunt. Anything marginal like that, also including half-truths and exaggerations, was not included in the tabulation.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Hey, I got this bridge I'm selling that crosses the Sahara, and it's a real discount, so...
You were doing so well, then you cited Snopes. Lol...
Look those cited urls you are sucking up like a hooker doing cocaine have been completely discredited. A cursory search of any of that content reveals contradictory information from what they state nearly every time. Generally, they're lying by omission and have for years.