Trump's Obama Conspiracy Theory

[metis]

Well, here he goes again:

Donald Trump seemed to repeatedly accuse President Obama on Monday of identifying with radicalized Muslims who have carried out terrorist attacks in the United States and being complicit in the mass shooting at a gay nightclub in Orlando over the weekend, the worst the country has ever seen.

"Look, we're led by a man that either is not tough, not smart, or he's got something else in mind," Trump said in a lengthy interview on Fox News early Monday morning. "And the something else in mind — you know, people can't believe it. People cannot, they cannot believe that President Obama is acting the way he acts and can't even mention the words 'radical Islamic terrorism.' There's something going on. It's inconceivable. There's something going on."...

For months, Trump has slyly suggested that the president is not Christian and has questioned his compassion toward Muslims. Years ago, Trump was a major force in calls for the president to release his birth certificate and prove that he was born in the United States. On the campaign trail, Trump has repeatedly stated as fact conspiracy theories about the president, his rivals and Muslims, often refusing to back down from his assertions even when they are proven to be false... -- https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ent-obama-was-involved-with-orlando-shooting/

BTW, on "Morning Joe" today, former representative Joe Scarborough (R-Florida) was totally livid saying that Trump simply cannot be allowed to become president, and he says that there's no way that Ryan and McConnell should continue to endorse Trump because it puts the country and the Republican Party at stake..

What say you?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

#WeveSeenThisBefore

 

[Quetzal]

What say you?

Par for the course regarding Trump. Nothing really shocks me anymore.

 

[McBell]

Par for the course regarding Trump. Nothing really shocks me anymore.

I know right.
This is the kind of nonsense he is popular for.
It makes sense to stop now.

Interesting that he is nothing more than a Howard Stern wanna be shock jock politician.

 

[tytlyf]

His supporters love the rhetoric. Trump is just repeating what 'conservative' media says 24/7. That's his base.

 

[metis]

His supporters love the rhetoric. Trump is just repeating what 'conservative' media says 24/7. That's his base.

Yep, his supporters love his demeaning rhetoric as long as it's aimed at someone other than them.

 

[Mindmaster]

Yes we do, especially because most of us have the notion that you cannot lead from the back row.

Think what you want, there are more radical Islamists than there are people in the entirety of the United States. You don't think that is a problem?

I think I'll let a Lebanese woman, who immigrated here legally, tune you up on history a bit.

 

[metis]

Yes we do, especially because most of us have the notion that you cannot lead from the back row.

Think what you want, there are more radical Islamists than there are people in the entirety of the United States. You don't think that is a problem?

I think I'll let a Lebanese woman, who immigrated here legally, tune you up on history a bit.

This is not what the OP was dealing with, nor what was being discussed.

So, back on topic: what would you say if Trump attacked your patriotism and intelligence and called you demeaning names? Or is it OK because he's not referring to you?

 

[Mindmaster]

This is not what the OP was dealing with, nor what was being discussed.

So, back on topic: what would you say if Trump attacked your patriotism and intelligence and called you demeaning names? Or is it OK because he's not referring to you?

His commentary is valid, Obama and the Democratic party have been more concerned about other people and nations than the people who live here. I hope their feelings are hurt, they are disgusting people. I hope anyone else who supports them is hurt, because they are disgusting too. If you sell out your own country every single stinking time, are you un-Patriotic? Pfft, do we really need this discussion?

 

[Quetzal]

His commentary is valid, Obama and the Democratic party have been more concerned about other people and nations than the people who live here. I hope their feelings are hurt, they are disgusting people. I hope anyone else who supports them is hurt, because they are disgusting too. If you sell out your own country every single stinking time, are you un-Patriotic? Pfft, do we really need this discussion?

A very abstract claim with little to nothing to back it up with. I have seen you post some valid arguments that have had some sort of case behind it to support it. This one, however, falls short.

 

[Mindmaster]

This is Obama's policy:

1) Illegals First
2) Refugees First
3) There isn't any radical Islam that's trying to kill everyone!
4) Let's take away everyone's guns because there is a small chance they might prevent the mass shootings, and then we can't make more draconian laws
5) Profit!

Did I miss anything? Any supposed good this man is doing is completely negated by all of the bad things he allows to go down on his watch. Americans have less rights than foreigners under his administration. It's sickening...

 

[Quetzal]

This is Obama's policy:

1) Illegals First
2) Refugees First
3) There isn't any radical Islam that's trying to kill everyone!
4) Let's take away everyone's guns because there is a small chance they might prevent the mass shootings, and then we can't make more draconian laws
5) Profit!

Did I miss anything? Any supposed good this man is doing is completely negated by all of the bad things he allows to go down on his watch. Americans have less rights than foreigners under his administration. It's sickening...

Now your posts have degraded to unfounded ramblings. It appears your bias is so negative you have lost all critical thought related to him.

 

[Mindmaster]

A very abstract claim with little to nothing to back it up with. I have seen you post some valid arguments that have had some sort of case behind it to support it. This one, however, falls short.

I posted why in the next post, I had to step away for a few minutes and realized people are probably already replying to the other post.

 

[Mindmaster]

Now your posts have degraded to unfounded ramblings. It appears your bias is so negative you have lost all critical thought related to him.

What critical thought is required? He allows Syrian refugees by executive order, and 25% of them want to kill us. (statistically) So, what bias do I have when the man says these things himself?

I'm not biased, I'm tired of American's getting killed because someone is trying to prove a point that doesn't even need to be deeply thought over. They hate us, and I mean hate us, so question why they even want to come here for a minute. Don't think too hard.

 

[Quetzal]

What critical thought is required? He allows Syrian refugees by executive order, and 25% of them want to kill us. (statistically) So, what bias do I have when the man says these things himself?

I'm not biased, I'm tired of American's getting killed because someone is trying to prove a point that doesn't even need to be deeply thought over. They hate us, and I mean hate us, so question why they even want to come here for a minute. Don't think too hard.

I would highly recommend you approach these topics from a different angle. Right now, you are parroting the same rhetoric that Trump is. Which is fine, I guess. I can't question Trump, but I can question you. You are throwing around statistics and numbers, those require sources. I simply don't believe what everyone on this forum posts as face value. So, let's break down your list, shall we?

1) Illegals First

What illegals? First to what? To what end? Source please.

2) Refugees First

The Syrian refugees, I take it? What alternative do you propose? Again, first to what? To what end? Sources if you got 'em!

3) There isn't any radical Islam that's trying to kill everyone!

I would love to see you quote anything remotely close to that from any dialogue involving Obama.

4) Let's take away everyone's guns because there is a small chance they might prevent the mass shootings, and then we can't make more draconian laws

Ah yes, the classic extreme right argument with not evidence to help out. Find me a quote from an Obama address that says he wants to take away everyone's guns.

Americans have less rights than foreigners under his administration.

We do? What rights do they have that I don't? Which foreigners?

If you are going to make outlandish claims, I will call your bluff every time.

 

[Mindmaster]

It's not really as you say... Let's put it into a simpler analogy.

Let's say your uncle wants to come live with you from Iowa and he is bringing his family. He beats his wife and rapes her. He has a two sons and a younger daughter as well who are innocent in the entire conflict. You know that none of the bad things would go on under your watch, but you can only be in the home for about eight hours of the day. You don't get along with the uncle at all and he hates you because you're a Democrat, but you love his wife and kids and know they are peaceable. The wife and the kids will never testify against the uncle and they won't move in without him due to fact that they love him. Do you let the uncle move in with his family now? How about after you see that the eldest son as taken to raping the daughter after seeing how his old man treats women? Do you think you can protect the children from being turned into abusers yourself? How about if the old man threatened to kill you because of your beliefs and interfering with his ideology?

The story is fictional, but it illustrates all of the problems with radical Islam and all of the problems with what the President is doing. You think it's biased against the President when he shelters trouble elements? It's not bias, bigotry, or anything else that governs my opinions of this. The Muslims are not turning in the violent elements, and the result is we get to sit and watch as they train more violent elements. Except this time, it's in our own country instead of where they are from. Have you ever watched TV overseas and seen the anti-American commentary? Do you realize the affect local media has on American's and how much do you think it affects them?

You don't need evidence to prove what ultimately is common sense, and has already proven to never and I mean NEVER work. The Muslims coming to this country do not identify themselves as American's as a rule, and they never integrate.

 

[Quetzal]

It's not really as you say... Let's put it into a simpler analogy.

Let's say your uncle wants to come live with you from Iowa and he is bringing his family. He beats his wife and rapes her. He has a two sons and a younger daughter as well who are innocent in the entire conflict. You know that none of the bad things would go on under your watch, but you can only be in the home for about eight hours of the day. You don't get along with the uncle at all and he hates you because you're a Democrat, but you love his wife and kids and know they are peaceable. The wife and the kids will never testify against the uncle and they won't move in without him due to fact that they love him. Do you let the uncle move in with his family now? How about after you see that the eldest son as taken to raping the daughter after seeing how his old man treats women? Do you think you can protect the children from being turned into abusers yourself?

The story is fictional, but it illustrates all of the problems with radical Islam and all of the problems with what the President is doing. You think it's biased against the President when he shelters trouble elements? It's not bias, bigotry, or anything else that governs my opinions of this. The Muslims are not turning in the violent elements, and the result is we get to sit and watch as they train more violent elements. Except this time, it's in our own country instead of where they are from. Have you ever watched TV overseas and seen the anti-American commentary? Do you realize the affect local media has on American's and how much do you think it affects them?

You don't need evidence to prove what ultimately is common sense, and has already proven to never and I mean NEVER work. The Muslims coming to this country do not identify themselves as American's as a rule, and they never integrate.

I didn't think so. I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed.

 

[metis]

His commentary is valid, Obama and the Democratic party have been more concerned about other people and nations than the people who live here. I hope their feelings are hurt, they are disgusting people. I hope anyone else who supports them is hurt, because they are disgusting too. If you sell out your own country every single stinking time, are you un-Patriotic? Pfft, do we really need this discussion?

So, if people here demean you, make fun of you, question your patriotism, that's all fine and dandy? Right.

Actually, we really don't need this discussion as you have given us more than enough "information" about yourself, and the unfortunate reality is that I have seen way too much of this kind of bigotry over the years.

 

[Mindmaster]

I didn't think so. I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed.

Now just move yourself out of the last story, and put Obama there. The uncle isn't a Democrat, just a radical Islamist. Why shouldn't I have problem with it? It amounts to child abuse, abuse of women, and PTSD. It's cruelty, and no one is stopping it. Worse, the radicals come here and start recruiting (like the son example) and it multiplies. So, yea, I think Obama is real weak on this, and I think he's probably not very Patriotic (subjecting American's to possible harm and radicalization) and worse I have trouble with his ethics and morality. If one single person can be hurt by what he has done, I am against it.

 

[Quetzal]

Now just move yourself out of the last story, and put Obama there. The uncle isn't a Democrat, just a radical Islamist. Why shouldn't I have problem with it? It amounts to child abuse, abuse of women, and PTSD. It's cruelty, and no one is stopping it. Worse, the radicals come here and start recruiting (like the son example) and it multiplies. So, yea, I think Obama is real weak on this, and I think he's probably not very Patriotic (subjecting American's to possible harm and radicalization) and worse I have trouble with his ethics and morality.

The fact that you have to use all of your time to fabricate a made up story instead of providing me with legitimate evidence speaks very loud volumes to how weak your argument is.