Truth: either God exists or He don't.

[Trailblazer]

I have a hope that such people are here because part of them fears that they are wrong. Sadly most are looking for excuses to believe, they are not looking for real answers.

Perhaps on a subconscious level they fear they are wrong, but on a conscious level they know they are right.

Christians are not looking for real answers because they "believe" they have the ONLY answer and they will cherry pick Bible verses in an effort to prove they are right.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Jesus did say He was the Only Way to the Father, but He never said He was the Only Way for all time.
Christians cannot face the fact that time marches on and then God has offers humanity another Way.

Jesus was the Way during His Dispensation but the Christian Dispensation is over.

Dispensation

1. the divine ordering of the affairs of the world.
2. an appointment, arrangement, or favor, as by God.
3. a divinely appointed order or age:

e.g. the old Mosaic, or Jewish, dispensation; the new gospel, or Christian, dispensation.

Definition of dispensation | Dictionary.com

By an arrangement of God the divine ordering of the affairs of the world is only according to one religion at a time. Thus each religion only applies to the age (dispensation) in which it is revealed.

Once a Messenger of God has completed His Mission on earth, what He revealed is pertinent only until the next Messenger of God appears. Moreover, every time God sends a new Messenger, His Revelation abrogates all the Revelations that came before it and the divine ordering of the affairs of the world is according to the religion that He establishes.

 

[Trailblazer]

Here’s a test, you reap what you sow. I planted an apple seed and got an apple tree. I love Gods law.

Anyone can say that so that does not prove that your beliefs are true.
I love God's law too, but I follow the updated version.

The Kitáb-i-Aqdas

 

[Trailblazer]

Evidence includes someone’s testimony, outward sign, one who bears witness

That is only evidence to the one who has the experience, it is not evidence to anyone else.
What about people who cry out to God and get no answers? That is evidence to them that there is no God, or at least no loving and caring God who answers.

 

[ElishaElijah]

That is only evidence to the one who has the experience, it is not evidence to anyone else.
What about people who cry out to God and get no answers? That is evidence to them that there is no God, or at least no loving and caring God who answers.

I was just pointing out the definition of the word evidence.

 

[Trailblazer]

I was just pointing out the definition of the word evidence.

You said: "Evidence includes someone’s testimony, outward sign, one who bears witness, which is in the dictionary so you’ll have to get something else on that."

That is not the dictionary definition of evidence.

Evidence: anything that helps to prove that something is or is not true: EVIDENCE | definition in the Cambridge English Dictionary

Evidence: the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid: https://www.google.com/search

There is no such thing as universal evidence because what is evidence to one person is not evidence to another person. It might be evidence to another person if they both consider it evidence, or it might not be, if they don't both consider it evidence.

 

[ElishaElijah]

You said: "Evidence includes someone’s testimony, outward sign, one who bears witness, which is in the dictionary so you’ll have to get something else on that."

That is not the dictionary definition of evidence.

Evidence: anything that helps to prove that something is or is not true: EVIDENCE | definition in the Cambridge English Dictionary

Evidence: the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid: https://www.google.com/search

There is no such thing as universal evidence because what is evidence to one person is not evidence to another person. It might be evidence to another person if they both consider it evidence, or it might not be, if they don't both consider it evidence.

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Definition of evidence
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1a: an outward sign : INDICATION
b: something that furnishes proof : TESTIMONYspecifically : something legally submitted to a tribunal to ascertain the truth of a matter
2: one who bears witnessespecially : one who voluntarily confesses a crime and testifies for the prosecution against one's accomplices

 

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ev·i·dence | \ ˈe-və-dən(t)s , -və-ˌden(t)s \
Definition of evidence
(Entry 1 of 2)

1a: an outward sign : INDICATION
b: something that furnishes proof : TESTIMONY specifically : something legally submitted to a tribunal to ascertain the truth of a matter
2: one who bears witness especially : one who voluntarily confesses a crime and testifies for the prosecution against one's accomplices

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These definitions of evidence do not apply to religious beliefs.

Religious testimonies and confessions are not the same as testimonies and confessions in a court of law.
In a court of law there is a known crime to testify about or confess to, whereas what you are testifying about something that is unknown to anyone except yourself.

As I said before whatever signs you have gotten and whatever experiences you have had are only evidence FOR YOU.
They are not evidence for anyone else, because nobody else has experiences what you have experienced.

 

[ElishaElijah]

I did not need to log in in order to save that definition.
These definitions of evidence do not apply to religious beliefs.

Religious testimonies and confessions are not the same as testimonies and confessions in a court of law.
In a court of law there is a known crime to testify about or confess to, whereas what you are testifying about something that is unknown to anyone except yourself.

As I said before whatever signs you have gotten and whatever experiences you have had are only evidence FOR YOU.
They are not evidence for anyone else, because nobody else has experiences what you have experienced.

That’s the definition of evidence I’m using so you are welcome to use yours. If the evidence of a changed life, personal testimony over 30 years presented to you isn’t good enough then not sure what to make of that.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I was just pointing out the definition of the word evidence.

There are different levels of strength of evidence. Your 'evidence' is very weak. It is not of much use.

 

[ElishaElijah]

You said: "Evidence includes someone’s testimony, outward sign, one who bears witness, which is in the dictionary so you’ll have to get something else on that."

That is not the dictionary definition of evidence.

Evidence: anything that helps to prove that something is or is not true: EVIDENCE | definition in the Cambridge English Dictionary

Evidence: the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid: https://www.google.com/search

There is no such thing as universal evidence because what is evidence to one person is not evidence to another person. It might be evidence to another person if they both consider it evidence, or it might not be, if they don't both consider it evidence.

That’s the definition of evidence I’m using so you are welcome to use yours.

There are different levels of strength of evidence. Your 'evidence' is very weak. It is not of much use.

There are different levels of strength of evidence. Your 'evidence' is very weak. It is not of much use.

There are different levels of strength of evidence. Your 'evidence' is very weak. It is not of much use.

It’s been very strong evidence for everyone that knew me before I met Jesus Christ and what’s happened since. The drastic change and how God is working in our lives here. If it’s weak evidence for you then for sure I’m not the guy you should be talking to.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I’m not blaming anyone, you can believe whatever you want to that’s freedom. Poorly formed questions is funny to me though.

Ooh, so wrong again. Only the irrational can believe anything that they want. Your statement indicates that you are not reasoning rationally. If one reasons properly there is no choice in belief.

And why can't you ask questions properly? You keep failing at doing that. You ask questions where what you are asking about is unclear and when people ask for clarification you falsely claim that they are not answering you. When you ask a poorly formed question point that out and asking for clarification is an answer.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It’s not just a saying but an important principle in life.

Sorry, just a saying and not much more. And if your God does exist how will react to you calling him a liar? You may not understand this, but if the Flood of Noah actually happened then God is liar. The Christian geologists, and yet it was Christians that first refuted the myth, not atheists, Muslims, or believers in another religion, one of the reasons that they knew there was no flood was because they did not believe in a lying God. You seem to have no problem with this concept.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Ooh, so wrong again. Only the irrational can believe anything that they want. Your statement indicates that you are not reasoning rationally. If one reasons properly there is no choice in belief.

And why can't you ask questions properly? You keep failing at doing that. You ask questions where what you are asking about is unclear and when people ask for clarification you falsely claim that they are not answering you. When you ask a poorly formed question point that out and asking for clarification is an answer.

You’ll need a translator

 

[Subduction Zone]

It’s been very strong evidence for everyone that knew me before I met Jesus Christ and what’s happened since. The drastic change and how God is working in our lives here. If it’s weak evidence for you then for sure I’m not the guy you should be talking to.

No, it was never strong evidence. It was always weak evidence. It is weak evidence for you to. By your poor standards all religions are correct. When one follows the "evidence" and one gets conflicting results then the evidence is poor and terminally flawed. Your evidence if terminally flawed. It is not a pathway to the truth, it only gives you excuses to believe.

Would you like to try rational thought for once?

 

[Subduction Zone]

You’ll need a translator

No, you just need to work on your questions. Perhaps you should put the Ninth Commandment foremost in your mind when you ask questions. Are you trying to learn or are you trying to ask a "gotcha" question?

 

[ElishaElijah]

Sorry, just a saying and not much more. And if your God does exist how will react to you calling him a liar? You may not understand this, but if the Flood of Noah actually happened then God is liar. The Christian geologists, and yet it was Christians that first refuted the myth, not atheists, Muslims, or believers in another religion, one of the reasons that they knew there was no flood was because they did not believe in a lying God. You seem to have no problem with this concept.

You’ll have to take that up with God because I believe everything He says.
“Absolutely not! Let God be true, even though everyone is a liar, as it is written: That you may be justified in your words and triumph when you judge.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:4‬ ‭

 

[ElishaElijah]

No, it was never strong evidence. It was always weak evidence. It is weak evidence for you to. By your poor standards all religions are correct. When one follows the "evidence" and one gets conflicting results then the evidence is poor and terminally flawed. Your evidence if terminally flawed. It is not a pathway to the truth, it only gives you excuses to believe.

Would you like to try rational thought for once?

Would you like to speak some truth instead or slander?

 

[ElishaElijah]

No, you just need to work on your questions. Perhaps you should put the Ninth Commandment foremost in your mind when you ask questions. Are you trying to learn or are you trying to ask a "gotcha" question?

Why were you asking Noah and the flood question?

 

[Trailblazer]

That’s the definition of evidence I’m using so you are welcome to use yours. If the evidence of a changed life, personal testimony over 30 years presented to you isn’t good enough then not sure what to make of that.

No, it is not good enough for me and the main reason is because there is no way it can ever be proven that your changed life has anything to do with God or Jesus so your personal testimony is not proof of anything at all. It could have been just luck or fate that changed your life.

 

[Trailblazer]

It’s been very strong evidence for everyone that knew me before I met Jesus Christ and what’s happened since. The drastic change and how God is working in our lives here. If it’s weak evidence for you then for sure I’m not the guy you should be talking to.

Any Baha'i could say the same thing about how finding Baha'u'llah changed their life and I know a few Baha'is such as @ Tony Bristow-Stagg and @ loverofhumanity who have told me that, so how does that prove that Jesus is the "only way" to change a life?

I agree that turning to God can change lives but God does not have a particular religion.

When I finally turned to God that changed my life, because I gave up trying to control everything and I know I got help from God after that. However, I would not consider my testimony as evidence for anyone else, not unless they consider personal testimonies as evidence.