Truth: either God exists or He don't.

[Polymath257]

Not sure if your aware of the stats, but they show the progressive left wingers killed 160 million in the 20th century, compared to 20 million by the Fascists. So your fears are misplaced, the fascists are innocent compared to the communists

Both are guilty. And both should be condemned.

How about we compare those to the socialist democracies of, say, France or England?

 

[Polymath257]

I'm glad you included the democrat party in the both sides being evil. The left and right wings of politics are simply communism and fascism. Of course they won't admit this but that's how it plays out in reality.

The extremes are not the same as the middle. Communism and fascism are evil because of their extremism and their idea that they could kill people who disagree with them.

Instead of looking at the extremes, why not look to the center?

There are no true democracies in the world, they may claim to be but you'd soon discover which way they lean when you put them to the test.

There are no true democracies, but we probably don't want such. They would be too much work for the average person. Instead we have representative democracies.

I believe in private property and freedom of religion and speech, so I would never vote for a left wing party such as the Democrats

I believe in those as well, which is why I would never vote for the Republicans. Freedom from religion is part of freedom of religion. Private property has *always* been tempered by the needs of the society as a whole. I tend to dislike the far left's view of speech as well. I would *like* the political discourse to be more polite and less divisive, but I also know that strong criticism of ideas is occasionally offensive.

For example, I have no problem with drawings of Mohamed (even pornographic ones). But I also have no problem with similar pornographic images of Jesus.

I also find it interesting that the Republicans claim massive voter fraud as a reason to restrict the right to vote, but have *never* found such fraud, even when they did the investigation themselves.

It is the Republicans that want to restrict voting rights. They have gerrymandered their districts so that few seats are actually in contention. If, instead, they were fair and honest about dividing up districts, and counting the votes of *every citizen who wants to vote*, they would lose consistently. it is only by cheating and manipulation that they can win most places at all.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I don't have the authority to ask the police for the names and criminal histories of those impostors. So I can't ;ist their names as they have protection from the highest authorities.

I like to see what both the mainstream and independent media sources have to say. I'm not one of those who puts his whole faith in something just because it's in your face and popular.

I watch Alex Jones infowars news feeds and find it's completely different from the mainstream outlets so I have a much more balanced view than those one eyed experts on everything

If am sorry but watching crazy and taking it seriously only makes one unbalanced.

 

[sojourner]

That event was a one off incident, where a bunch of people protested against the theft of the election and many democrats dressed as Republicans rioted and gave us a bad name.

It's old insignificant news now, nobody will get anything more than a slap on the wrist as punishment.

Uh huh. You just keep right on repeating that. Maybe repetition will make it actually come true.

 

[sojourner]

Who made twitter and facebook the arbitrators of what's true and what's false

The facts.

Since when did they assume the position of the highest court in the land

They’re not, but they do reserve the right to control content that is untrue, or violent in nature.

They're just digital providers, so they should keep their sticky beaks out of other peoples business

Or, other people who lie and incite violence can keep their sticky beaks off of private property.

 

[sojourner]

The US doesn't belong to the democrats, it was stolen from the republicans and 100 million people will never rest until justice is done

Neither does it belong to far right rabble rousers. This isn’t “your” nation to keep away from those who think, look, and believe differently, it’s OUR nation — yours and ours. Democrats understand that. I’m not so sure you do. What has been stolen from this nation is the capacity for patience, compassion, courtesy, a willingness to compromise, a sense of consensus and mutuality, and the ability to share power equitably. We have lost our sense of hospitality for those we can shelter. We have lost our sense of diversity. And all of it because radicalized voices who stand against all those things have been given weight by the former administration. America is, at its heart, neither conservative nor liberal. It most certainly is not populist.

And your “100,000,000” is an inflated “fact” so common with Trump.

Let me ask you a question: What do you all want? If Trump were still in office, what do you really hope he would do? What? What do you want? What angers you so? Do you know? Or are you just accustomed to vented frustration being a rallying cry for your brand of politics?

 

[sojourner]

There is no true democracy, that is true. But there are many places where the votes of the people have bearing on what happens in government.

It’s interesting to note that Britain and Sweden (probably others I’m not statistically aware of) are more model democracies than the US. We like to think of ourselves as the democratic standard, but we are not. And the rub is that both Britain and Sweden are socialist democracies, yet they have better systems of representation than we do. And a greater sense of social responsibility.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

And yet, the very foundation of our country was based on stepping into the unknown: by having people vote for their leaders. That was a very new thing at the time.

ALL of the founding fathers were forward looking and innovative. They embraced discovery of the unknown and attempting the previously untried.

ALL government is done without the permission of *some* of the people. Some, like the communists and fascists, want to claim to speak for the people. Others, the more socialist democracies, allow for the people (to some extent) to speak for themselves.

There is no true democracy, that is true. But there are many places where the votes of the people have bearing on what happens in government.

A true democracy would be catastrophic for any country or state. If the public had their way in every matter, the country would quickly descend into the law of the jungle, mob rule and unrestrained violence.

We need qualified and educated leaders, to make laws to protect us from ourselves. We can think of it as the Highway Patrol protecting the public from killing themselves in their speeding cars.

Mankind is the only being who needs to be protected from himself, we don't see this in the animal kingdom they're focused on preserving their lives. Men hate authority, as it forces them to behave in a way they they don't want to.

There's no ideal way to rule the public, since the heart of man is wicked above all thing according to God. We need things like speed bumps on the road to force us to behave, it's just human nature.

The human condition doesn't allow for an honesty system of government, we all need to be treated as criminals where we have to prove ourselves in everything we do before we can be accepted. Our natural state dictates that we kill everyone who doesn't agree with us and we take their possessions. it has been this way throughout human history and it will continue until the end.

There's no point in pretending that we can achieve equality, acceptance, racial justice, world peace and all the other things the dreamers talk about. The reality is very different, it tells us there will be no peace or harmony and things will keep getting worse and worse until we wipe ourselves out

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

I certainly hope you are wrong about that. The only time our Capitol has been invaded since the war of 1812 is a pretty significant thing.

Everyone inside the Capitol that day who should not have been should be tried for sedition.

Those poor devils went there to vent their anger and let of some steam. They didn't go there to hurt anyone, they just wanted their voices to be heard.

There were some agitators among them who escalated things but they weren't Trump supporters as he, never condoned violence. He always encouraged his supporters to protest peacefully.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Both are guilty. And both should be condemned.

How about we compare those to the socialist democracies of, say, France or England?

France and England have a long history of committing atrocities, they invade countries and wipe out their indigenous populations.

Imperial powers always used violence and genocide to extend their empires, nobody gives upo their country without a fight and land grabbing always costs many innocent lives.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

The extremes are not the same as the middle. Communism and fascism are evil because of their extremism and their idea that they could kill people who disagree with them.

Instead of looking at the extremes, why not look to the center?



There are no true democracies, but we probably don't want such. They would be too much work for the average person. Instead we have representative democracies.



I believe in those as well, which is why I would never vote for the Republicans. Freedom from religion is part of freedom of religion. Private property has *always* been tempered by the needs of the society as a whole. I tend to dislike the far left's view of speech as well. I would *like* the political discourse to be more polite and less divisive, but I also know that strong criticism of ideas is occasionally offensive.

For example, I have no problem with drawings of Mohamed (even pornographic ones). But I also have no problem with similar pornographic images of Jesus.

I also find it interesting that the Republicans claim massive voter fraud as a reason to restrict the right to vote, but have *never* found such fraud, even when they did the investigation themselves.

It is the Republicans that want to restrict voting rights. They have gerrymandered their districts so that few seats are actually in contention. If, instead, they were fair and honest about dividing up districts, and counting the votes of *every citizen who wants to vote*, they would lose consistently. it is only by cheating and manipulation that they can win most places at all.

I believe the right to vote should only be given to to good productive citizens. It shouldn't be given to unemployed parasites, criminals, immigrants or any one else who doesn't contribute to the economy.

Only those who make the country great should be allowed to vote, all those who rely on the government to feed them should have no right to vote. If those rules applied the Democrats would only get 10% of the vote

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

If am sorry but watching crazy and taking it seriously only makes one unbalanced.

I don't see how burying one's head in the sand would result in having a balanced view

 

[Subduction Zone]

I don't see how burying one's head in the sand would result in having a balanced view

Then why do you do that?

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

The facts.

They’re not, but they do reserve the right to control content that is untrue, or violent in nature.


Or, other people who lie and incite violence can keep their sticky beaks off of private property.

Your dead wrong on every point.

1. Who owns the copyrights to the facts????
2. They're nothing more than telco providers, just like anyone else with large had drives. They're not the rulers of the world, they're just puppets who sold their soul to the devil in my opinion.
3. The witch hunt impeachment was proven to be a conspiracy theory and some strange people still run with it. This shows the power of these devil possessed deceivers, some people continue to believe lies after they have been exposed, just amazing!

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Neither does it belong to far right rabble rousers. This isn’t “your” nation to keep away from those who think, look, and believe differently, it’s OUR nation — yours and ours. Democrats understand that. I’m not so sure you do. What has been stolen from this nation is the capacity for patience, compassion, courtesy, a willingness to compromise, a sense of consensus and mutuality, and the ability to share power equitably. We have lost our sense of hospitality for those we can shelter. We have lost our sense of diversity. And all of it because radicalized voices who stand against all those things have been given weight by the former administration. America is, at its heart, neither conservative nor liberal. It most certainly is not populist.

And your “100,000,000” is an inflated “fact” so common with Trump.

Let me ask you a question: What do you all want? If Trump were still in office, what do you really hope he would do? What? What do you want? What angers you so? Do you know? Or are you just accustomed to vented frustration being a rallying cry for your brand of politics?

Trump was in the process of making America great again, then the enemies stabbed him in the back and took over the country in order to sell it down the river.

The country was founded on the Bible, the constitution was written according to Bible principles. But now the progressive liberals are taking it down to hell, by destroying the foundations of the country. They disguise themselves as people who care about everyone equally but they actually want to destroy everyone equally and make themselves rich

 

[Subduction Zone]

Your dead wrong on every point.

1. Who owns the copyrights to the facts????
2. They're nothing more than telco providers, just like anyone else with large had drives. They're not the rulers of the world, they're just puppets who sold their soul to the devil in my opinion.
3. The witch hunt impeachment was proven to be a conspiracy theory and some strange people still run with it. This shows the power of these devil possessed deceivers, some people continue to believe lies after they have been exposed, just amazing!

You do not seem to understand. Twitter is a private enterprise. You should be supporting their right to decide who posts and who does not. Trump was kicked off not just for lying, but for malicious lies that led to others being hurt and even killed.

You no not have "right" to their servers. If you do not like what Twitter has done you can take your business elsewhere. It is not as if Trump was banned from the internet. Twitter merely does not want to be part of his immoral activities.

And seriously dude, the impeachment was not a witch hunt. Trump was guilty of the crimes that he was charged with, sadly the Republicans are all . . . hmm, how to put this, . . . female cats when it comes to standing up to the orange colored one.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Then why do you do that?

How could I be doing that if I look at the whole picture and you look at half only. That actually exposes your narrow ignorant view

 

[Subduction Zone]

Trump was in the process of making America great again, then the enemies stabbed him in the back and took over the country in order to sell it down the river.

The country was founded on the Bible, the constitution was written according to Bible principles. But now the progressive liberals are taking it down to hell, by destroying the foundations of the country. They disguise themselves as people who care about everyone equally but they actually want to destroy everyone equally and make themselves rich

No, he really was not. He was merely selling it to the highest bidder.

 

[Subduction Zone]

How could I be doing that if I look at the whole picture and you look at half only. That actually exposes your narrow ignorant view

You cannot look at an insane gibbering idiot and claim to be looking at the whole picture. Yes, Alex Jones is good for comic relief, but that is about it. Meanwhile you call middle of the road sources left wing and who knows what you call slightly left sources.

Here is a clue, just because a site corrects your fantasy beliefs does not make it "left wing".

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

You do not seem to understand. Twitter is a private enterprise. You should be supporting their right to decide who posts and who does not. Trump was kicked off not just for lying, but for malicious lies that led to others being hurt and even killed.

You no not have "right" to their servers. If you do not like what Twitter has done you can take your business elsewhere. It is not as if Trump was banned from the internet. Twitter merely does not want to be part of his immoral activities.

And seriously dude, the impeachment was not a witch hunt. Trump was guilty of the crimes that he was charged with, sadly the Republicans are all . . . hmm, how to put this, . . . female cats when it comes to standing up to the orange colored one.

It's interesting to observe your hypocrisy, on the one hand you want me to respect the courts but when they don't decide in your one eyed biased favour you rubbish them. This further exposes your disposition and denial of facts, quite sad actually