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Hi!How did Moses know that God was God and not someone else? For instance, Mohammed (spelling?) claimed to see an angel same with Joseph Smith, and same with many other religions I am sure.
Moses was the writer of the Torah right? So how did he know that what he was writing was truth and not a bunch of lies? Same goes for the disciples.
Secondly, is it possible for us to know truth about God without Scripture? I realize that this opens into other questions, but lets try to not focus on those. Thanx
I think scriptures actually interfere with our ability to find out the truth about God by framing a convenient "box" that discourages inquiry outside the parameters they set.Secondly, is it possible for us to know truth about God without Scripture?
One of the "rules" of literature is that we have to trust that the narrator is telling the truth. Therefore, since the narrator says that Moses encountered God, Moses encountered God, according to the story.How did Moses know that God was God and not someone else? For instance, Mohammed (spelling?) claimed to see an angel same with Joseph Smith, and same with many other religions I am sure.
Moses was the writer of the Torah right? So how did he know that what he was writing was truth and not a bunch of lies? Same goes for the disciples.
Secondly, is it possible for us to know truth about God without Scripture? I realize that this opens into other questions, but lets try to not focus on those. Thanx
Moses was not the writer of Torah. The "disciples" were not the authors of the NT.
Moses could not have written the Torah, since the Bible was not written down until after 600 b.c.e. Most reputable scholars accept that he did not write it.Hi!
Huh???
And Moses wrote all the words of the LORD...Moses wrote unto us...have ye not read in the book of Moses...They have Moses and the prophets...If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead...Moses wrote unto us...And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself...And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me...For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting....Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered...Paul, unto the churches of Galatia...Paul.. .Unto the church of God which is at Corinth...The salutation of me Paul with mine own hand...Ye see how large a letter I have written unto you with mine own hand...The salutation of Paul with mine own hand, which is the token in every epistle: so I write...I Paul have written it with mine own hand...Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called...The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John...
Cheers!
Hi!Moses could not have written the Torah, since the Bible was not written down until after 600 b.c.e. Most reputable scholars accept that he did not write it.
James and Peter were disciples of Jesus, but the letters ascribed to them were probably not written by them. They were more likely written pseudonymously.
How much accredited graduate study have you done in Biblical history and literature? I offer the following for your consideration:Hi!
I would laugh, but you actually believe that. I am sorry, that is nonsense to me. Jesus and the apostles and the prophets all said Moses wrote the five books of the Law. They did not lie. Now, when Paul, James, or Peter begin a letter telling us it is from them, it seems a slap in their face not to believe them. James, the brother of Christ, said he wrote James, for one to dare write something we hold as scripture and attribute it to the brother of the Lord is pretty far out there my lad.
Cheers!
No. When history and anthropology indicate otherwise, I prefer scholarship and exegesis. Here's a quote for you:Hi!
So when Jesus, the prophets, and the apostles all acknowledge that Moses wrote the Law, you prefer modernist textbooks to their word? That is sandy ground, indeed!
Cheers!
We must first learn what it says, before we can trust it.Hi!
We must be discussing this same thing on two threads! I agree someone must have recorded Moses' death, but I do believe he wrote the rest, he could write. As far as that and the Gospels, I believe in the power of the Holy Ghost and that he was able to give us God's revelation and did so. No other book is so questioned then the Bible, we must learn to trust what it says: And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh. Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
Cheers!
For me this faith is summed up in the teachings of Christ... These teachings were not only revolutionary in his day, but also ran counter to the thinking current in his Jewish background.
No. When history and anthropology indicate otherwise, I prefer scholarship and exegesis. Here's a quote for you:
"By the time of Jesus, the first five books of the Bible were ascribed to Moses, the hero of Exodus. In Hebrew, these five books are called the Torah, which means "teaching," although it is often translated as "law." Because the Torah includes a report of Moses' death, it is quite unlikely that Moses actually wrote these books, at least in the form that we now have them." (Chalice Introduction to the Old Testament, pgs. 29-30.)
There is also the anthropological problem that the society present at the time of the story was not largely literate -- it would have been an oral society. Add to that the fact that the Bible was not written down until about 600 b.c.e. (the events that would have included Moses happened much earlier than the writing.) Additionally, there is the problem of the JEPD authorship theory.
There just is too much evidence to the contrary to unequivocably ascribe authorship to Moses -- Jesus' Biblical ascription of it to Moses notwithstanding. We don't know what Jesus thought, since the gospels (as we have them) were written between about 30 - 70 years or so after his death. We can't be sure that all quotations ascribed to Jesus are either authentic or verbatim. Sorry. That's just the way it is.
Was Jesus teachings really revolutionary? Which came first; The teachings of Jesus or the teachings of Paul?
How does Tacitus' record indicate that Jesus' teachings came first? Tacitus came after both Jesus (80 years) and Paul (50 years) and is not exactly known for his accuracy. He makes a number of errors in that passage alone. Could he not have simply been conveying what had been taught by Paul? It would fit his style perfectly.Luke said:Jesus' teachings came first. The Roman historian Tacitus records Him, and his records show that Jesus came first.