psychoslice
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True to who ?.
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Segev Moran
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Sorry buddy.. Atheism is not based on Faith
It's based on reasoning, statistics, evidence and common sense...
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Statistics hehehe
Unveiled Artist
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Sorry buddy.. Atheism is not based on Faith
It's based on reasoning, statistics, evidence and common sense...
Where did you get that from? I never asked about atheist.
If you are an ex-christian, how did you view the cross then?
If you're an ex-christian, what does it mean to you now?
It doesn't matter if you are an atheist or not. Where did you get that from?
Bhairava
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Llia
If you don't Lila I feel sorry for ya bro.
Lila (Sanskrit: लीला, IAST līlā) or Leela, like many Sanskrit words, cannot be precisely translated into English, but can be loosely translated as the noun "play". The concept of Lila is common to both non-dualist and dualist philosophical schools, but has a markedly different significance in each. Within non-dualism, Lila is a way of describing all reality, including the cosmos, as the outcome of creative play by the divine absolute (Brahman). In the dualistic schools of Vaishnavism, Lila refers to the activities of God and his devotee, as well as the macrocosmic actions of the manifest universe, as seen in the Vaishnava scripture Srimad Bhagavatam, verse 3.26.4
Brahman is full of all perfections. And to say that Brahman has some purpose in creating the world will mean that it wants to attain through the process of creation something which it has not. And that is impossible. Hence, there can be no purpose of Brahman in creating the world. The world is a mere spontaneous creation of Brahman. It is a Lila, or sport, of Brahman. It is created out of Bliss, by Bliss and for Bliss. Lila indicates a spontaneous sportive activity of Brahman as distinguished from a self-conscious volitional effort. The concept of Lila signifies freedom as distinguished from necessity.
The Vendantic yogi never tires of stating that kaivalya, "isolation-integration", can be attained only by turning away from the distracting allure of the world and worshiping with single-pointed attention the formless Brahman-Atman; to the Tantric, however—as to the normal child of the world—this notion seems pathological, the wrong-headed effect of a certain malady of intellect. (...) "I like eating sugar," as Ramprasad said, "but I have no desire to become sugar." Let those who suffer from the toils of samsara seek release: the perfect devotee does not suffer; for he can both visualize and experience life and the universe as the revelation of that Supreme Divine Force (shakti) with which he is in love, the all-comprehensive Divine Being in its cosmic aspect of playful, aimless display (lila)—which precipitates pain as well as joy, but in its bliss transcends them both.
The basic recurring theme in Hindu mythology is the creation of the world by the self-sacrifice of God—"sacrifice" in the original sense of "making sacred"—whereby God becomes the world which, in the end, becomes again God. This creative activity of the Divine is called lila, the play of God, and the world is seen as the stage of the divine play. Like most of Hindu mythology, the myth of lila has a strong magical flavour. Brahman is the great magician who transforms himself into the world and then performs this feat with his "magic creative power", which is the original meaning of maya in the Rig Veda. The word maya—one of the most important terms in Indian philosophy—has changed its meaning over the centuries. From the might, or power, of the divine actor and magician, it came to signify the psychological state of anybody under the spell of the magic play. As long as we confuse the myriad forms of the divine lila with reality, without perceiving the unity of Brahman underlying all these forms, we are under the spell of maya. (...) In the Hindu view of nature, then, all forms are relative, fluid and ever-changing maya, conjured up by the great magician of the divine play. The world of maya changes continuously, because the divine lila is a rhythmic, dynamic play. The dynamic force of the play is karma, an important concept of Indian thought. Karma means "action". It is the active principle of the play, the total universe in action, where everything is dynamically connected with everything else. In the words of the Gita Karma is the force of creation, wherefrom all things have their life.
Hindu denominations differ on how a human should react to awareness of Lila. Karma Yoga allows a joyful embrace of all aspects of life ("intentional acceptance") while maintaining distinction from the Supreme, while Bhakti and Jnana Yoga advocate striving for oneness with the Supreme. Lila is an important idea in the traditional worship of Krishna (as prankster) and Shiva (as dancer)
Lila is comparable to the Western theological position of Pandeism, which describes the Universe as God taking a physical form in order to experience the interplay between the elements of the Universe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lila_(Hinduism)
Luciferi Baphomet
Lucifer, is my Liberator
You need to find the path that resonates with you. Learn to find and accept and enhance your own power, strength, and pleasure, and grow into what you can inherently become.
Bhairava
Member
Totally agree!
I can describe my path with one word Enjoyment. Its all about experiencing greater and greater enjoyment until you only experience bliss. I can also describe my path with one word for people looking more into it and that is Lila.
Luciferi Baphomet
Lucifer, is my Liberator
Also if the path feels right for you then go for it you know.
Kelly of the Phoenix
Well-Known Member
Why not? Jews don't think the NT is either, after all. We cannot prove that ANY of the texts of ANY religion is the word of any deity. Only when the words come directly FROM said deities can we be assured of the source. Anyone can write a book. It is idolatry to assign divinity or "might as well be" divinity to a mere collection of ink and paper.
Let's remember that the New Testament was written AFTER the Hebrew Scriptures (the OG Word of God) and writes about the Hebrew Scriptures (with varying levels of accuracy) ... not the other way around.
Segev Moran
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Please explain your laugh ?
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I have heard a lot of arguments as to why God doesn't exist but I've never seen one based on numbers
Segev Moran
Well-Known Member
Where did you get that from? I never asked about atheist.
If you are an ex-christian, how did you view the cross then?
If you're an ex-christian, what does it mean to you now?
It doesn't matter if you are an atheist or not. Where did you get that from?
"Then you have many different faiths not just abrahamic. Some of them are naturalistic, some atheist, etc."....
your words...
What do you mean where do i get that from?
I Think i missed your point here...
You stated that each one have his or hers own definition of truth... and more than that.. each sees truth as something else...
I Can agree on that comment... As we live in a relative universe, what seems big for me can be small to you...
But that's the big difference in atheism.. Atheism is the lack of faith...
Faith is convincing yourself (Hoping) that what you believe is true..
It's actually believing that something is true when there is absolutely not one shred of evidence to support that belief...
In all that, Atheism is exactly the opposite..
An atheist, lacking an explanation, will say "I don't know" unlike a religion that will do all it can to prove it self with all means other than proof.
You can't include Atheism as a belief system or as faith...
Astrophysicist can maybe hope that something is true.. but s/he will not state it as truth until finding a proof that supports that hope.
So one could hope the Big bang theory is true for example.. without yet having any proof to support it.. but no one will say.. oh that sound like an awesome idea.. it must be true.. no.. the theory will be questioned and will not be declared as true or possible until a supporting evidence is presented!
Again.. unlike religion..
a religion cannot be proven.. as if it was .. it wasn't a religion.. it would just be a fact!
I Had my share of experiences that i cannot understand.. it doesn't mean its GOD...
Atheism is the exact opposite of faith or belief or religion!
Segev Moran
Well-Known Member
Lol..
It wasn't an argument why GOD doesn't exist.. it was an explanation how science works
Segev Moran
Well-Known Member
So if one's path is being a murderer?
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
It's included because atheism is a worldview. I never said it was a belief system. That's assumption or implied given I listed it with other worldview systems. "Naturalist" isn't a belief system but it is a worldview just as atheism is. So, I am not wrong. I should have put worldviews instead since people get fizzy about the words "belief systems" (aka morals that people take up as a lifestyle like love for family not just a belief in god). Think outside of the box.
For example, someone who believes in god would see life one way and someone who does not believe in god would see life in another way.
If that person who disbelieved in god once believed in god of Christianity, how did he see the cross? If applicable, how does he see the cross now?
A lot of atheists and non believers on this thread say that the cross is just a symbol, or object, or representation of Christianity now. Some said it still means something in general but not to their personal belief system. While others reject it entirely.
We see life differently in different "eye glasses". Atheism is no exclusion.
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Yeah. I think you're pulling hairs (positive idiom-italics unrelated to point). Replace religions and faiths with "worldview".
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Segev Moran
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Atheism is not a world view..
Atheism is simply saying, any world view can be okey as long as you don't declare it as the only truth unless you can back it up with evidence!
Atheism unlike naturalism... doesn't believe you should give back to mother nature...
not because it's mother nature.. rather that based on common sense.. things should be obvious.. like the fact that if human will not start worrying about our planet, we will eventually exhaust it!
It's got nothing to do with a world view!
it's a matter of facts!
Atheism is not a faith that there is no GOD... it is saying don't believe in GOD unless you have a proof to support it!
Like evolution.. you don't need to believe in evolution.. it exists... it's there.. true.... we are far from understanding everything...
true mistakes were made, are made and will be made!
naturalist will never say mother nature is not real!
atheist you'll never say that a theory is the only truth there is!
that's not a world view.. that's understanding that building your world view on something that someone said without any slightest proof what so ever.. is a bad world view!
And atheism says: you can see it however the way you like.. just don't force people to think its the only truth...
better yet, don't think what you believe is the only truth or true at all...
Again.. I agree on that... anyone can see the cross however he wishes.. whatever makes him feel good.. but that won't change the fact that the cross is just a cross until proven differently...
So that's a great question...
Is atheism the truth?
That's exactly a question you cannot ask as atheism is not a world view... it's just stating that things should be treated as truth only if they are proven to be so...
if someone will find out today that evolution is wrong.. and s/he will show an evidence that supports this discovery... no one will say that this discovery is a lie.. but rather try and see if it fails!
unlike a belief.. where something contradicts your belief, you simply say it's not true...
I understand what you are saying here... but that's not what atheism is...
atheism doesn't say the cross is neither this nor that...
it says the cross is for a fact a symbol..
that's it.. there is no other evident information that is true about the cross other than that!
it doesn't mean that the cross doesn't mean anything to people...
it just says that a cross is just a symbol... it has no powers! no values! no morale! nothing other than a symbol until proven differently.
what is the difference between a cross and a david star?
there is none what so ever! they are both just symbols!
what is the symbol of atheism?
what is the meaning of atheism?
what is the purpose of atheism?
atheism is a word that represents the lack of something... not the existence of something...
so thus it is not something you can learn...
you can't learn to be atheist...
you just are...
you don't learn to not believe in invented answers... you just stop believing.. and that's it...
there is no atheist world view...
there is no "way of being an atheist"
there is no right way or wrong way to being an atheist...
everyone is an atheist unless s/he believes all religions are equally true!
See above
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You said atheism was based on facts statistics etc. you make it sound as though science confirms atheism. It's such a stupid assertion that I can't believe I even took time out of my day to comment on itLol..
It wasn't an argument why GOD doesn't exist.. it was an explanation how science works
Segev Moran
Well-Known Member
I would much like to "hear" your take take on atheism.. you seem to know much more than me about it...
do you know what atheism even mean?
Segev Moran
Well-Known Member
and no lol... atheism doesn't need a confirmation lol...
its not a belief.. its the lack of such...
unlike religion that needs confirmation... atheism does not...
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Atheism is not a world view..
Atheism is simply saying, any world view can be okey as long as you don't declare it as the only truth unless you can back it up with evidence!
Atheism unlike naturalism... doesn't believe you should give back to mother nature...
not because it's mother nature.. rather that based on common sense.. things should be obvious.. like the fact that if human will not start worrying about our planet, we will eventually exhaust it!
It's got nothing to do with a world view!
it's a matter of facts!
Atheism is not a faith that there is no GOD... it is saying don't believe in GOD unless you have a proof to support it!
Like evolution.. you don't need to believe in evolution.. it exists... it's there.. true.... we are far from understanding everything...
true mistakes were made, are made and will be made!
naturalist will never say mother nature is not real!
atheist you'll never say that a theory is the only truth there is!
that's not a world view.. that's understanding that building your world view on something that someone said without any slightest proof what so ever.. is a bad world view!
And atheism says: you can see it however the way you like.. just don't force people to think its the only truth...
better yet, don't think what you believe is the only truth or true at all...
Again.. I agree on that... anyone can see the cross however he wishes.. whatever makes him feel good.. but that won't change the fact that the cross is just a cross until proven differently...
So that's a great question...
Is atheism the truth?
That's exactly a question you cannot ask as atheism is not a world view... it's just stating that things should be treated as truth only if they are proven to be so...
if someone will find out today that evolution is wrong.. and s/he will show an evidence that supports this discovery... no one will say that this discovery is a lie.. but rather try and see if it fails!
unlike a belief.. where something contradicts your belief, you simply say it's not true...
I understand what you are saying here... but that's not what atheism is...
atheism doesn't say the cross is neither this nor that...
it says the cross is for a fact a symbol..
that's it.. there is no other evident information that is true about the cross other than that!
it doesn't mean that the cross doesn't mean anything to people...
it just says that a cross is just a symbol... it has no powers! no values! no morale! nothing other than a symbol until proven differently.
what is the difference between a cross and a david star?
there is none what so ever! they are both just symbols!
what is the symbol of atheism?
what is the meaning of atheism?
what is the purpose of atheism?
atheism is a word that represents the lack of something... not the existence of something...
so thus it is not something you can learn...
you can't learn to be atheist...
you just are...
you don't learn to not believe in invented answers... you just stop believing.. and that's it...
there is no atheist world view...
there is no "way of being an atheist"
there is no right way or wrong way to being an atheist...
everyone is an atheist unless s/he believes all religions are equally true!
See above
I will have to comment on All of this later.
I am an atheist. My worldview or how I see life does not involve any god/s. I cannot think of amy other worldview or perspective with god/s in it. That is how I see life.
That is a worldview. Not a religion. Not a belief system.