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james bond

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I think I can prove it. Which one of the atheists here think freedom of religion (as a social issue) should be up there with other social issues like gun control, homosexuality, abortion and climate change? That is, you'll march in the streets should Trump decide to abolish it (satire ha ha).

Next, which one of the atheists here place socialism as important for political governance in the United States? Again, will you march in the streets if Trump decides to abolish it, i.e. socialist leaders (Barack Obama, Bernie Sanders, John Kerry), thinkers (Noam Chomsky, Thom Hartmann), teachers, etc. are put in jail?
 

ADigitalArtist

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
I think I can prove it. Which one of the atheists here think freedom of religion (as a social issue) should be up there with other social issues like gun control, homosexuality, abortion and climate change? That is, you'll march in the streets should Trump decide to abolish it (satire ha ha).

Next, which one of the atheists here place socialism as important for political governance in the United States? Again, will you march in the streets if Trump decides to abolish it, i.e. socialist leaders (Barack Obama, Bernie Sanders, John Kerry), thinkers (Noam Chomsky, Thom Hartmann), teachers, etc. are put in jail?
I'm not sure which you understand less, atheism or socialism.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
The reason I support freedom of speech is to support truth and its freedoms. If it's hate speech not so much.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
I think I can prove it. Which one of the atheists here think freedom of religion (as a social issue) should be up there with other social issues like gun control, homosexuality, abortion and climate change? That is, you'll march in the streets should Trump decide to abolish it (satire ha ha).

Next, which one of the atheists here place socialism as important for political governance in the United States? Again, will you march in the streets if Trump decides to abolish it, i.e. socialist leaders (Barack Obama, Bernie Sanders, John Kerry), thinkers (Noam Chomsky, Thom Hartmann), teachers, etc. are put in jail?
I can tell you that I would certainly protest any loss of freedom of religion, for any group.

But let me ask you this hypothetical question. What would you do/think/feel if somehow there was an atheist government and they decided to put religious people on a registry?
 

james bond

Well-Known Member
I can tell you that I would certainly protest any loss of freedom of religion, for any group.

But let me ask you this hypothetical question. What would you do/think/feel if somehow there was an atheist government and they decided to put religious people on a registry?

I gave you thumbs up on your first statement.

It depends. Are the religious people my enemy, i.e. they wish to do me harm? If so, then I would think anyone would want to keep a close eye on them.
 

james bond

Well-Known Member
I understand Bernie Sanders is a democratic socialist and doesn't subscribe to any religion. And no one answered my second question -- which atheists here place socialism as important for political governance in the United States? If you look at the other people I listed above, they're likely in the atheist camp or sympathetic to its cause. The mainstream politicians usually will not admit to atheism. Sanders is an exception. Thus, atheism leads to communism is a valid statement.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I understand Bernie Sanders is a democratic socialist and doesn't subscribe to any religion. And no one answered my second question -- which atheists here place socialism as important for political governance in the United States? If you look at the other people I listed above, they're likely in the atheist camp or sympathetic to its cause. The mainstream politicians usually will not admit to atheism. Sanders is an exception. Thus, atheism leads to communism is a valid statement.
Hogwash.
The much hated (by socialists) Ayn Rand was an atheist & fire breathing anti-socialist.
Why would I, an atheist, want an economic system wherein I'm not rewarded for my
work, innovations & risk taking? Why would I want to see the people (aka "government")
running everything (the "means of production")? Why would I want to give them that
tremendous power over me?
Socialists....pbbbbbbbtttttttt!
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
It depends. Are the religious people my enemy, i.e. they wish to do me harm? If so, then I would think anyone would want to keep a close eye on them.
The only think you know about these people is that they are religious. The only reason they are being put on the registry is that they are religious. Do you support the registry or not?
 

james bond

Well-Known Member
The only think you know about these people is that they are religious. The only reason they are being put on the registry is that they are religious. Do you support the registry or not?

You ask interesting questions. If that's the case, then I would be against the registry to the point of protesting against it. Not by myself, of course, but with a coalition.

The other thing just targeting Muslims is that's not just who the terrorists are. We have home grown terrorists.

One other thing is the conservatives think there is a group in the Democratic Party who wants to overthrow the government and cause mass chaos. These people are well backed and in power already. This happened during the Obama Administration. These people do not want outside interests to take over, but they will use any upheaval to move in. Is Obama one of them?

Finally, the government power pendulum swings both ways. If Trump executes such an order, then I can see mass protests. It's the same thing with his building the wall. I was for the wall initially because of fears of more terrorist attacks on the scale of 9/11. Once we had the refugees from the ME fleeing and mass exodus on our doorsteps, Obama did not address it; He ignored it. In other words, it was okay for them to come over unchecked. We had that right before the election. Once Trump takes power, he's going to have to address these things. He's going to have to address the fears of both sides. And he's going to have to get buy-in for his plans. Otherwise, he'll just be the flip side of Obama.
 

ADigitalArtist

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
I usually don't debate those who do not understand nor can admit a valid argument or are debilitated with both maladies.
When you show me a valid argument. All you're doing now is reducing both atheism and socialism to one thing, rather than the umbrella for many beliefs and political stances it is.
Neverminding that being atheist doesn't mean you can't be religious (and plenty of spiritual atheists abound), neverminding that there are dozens of types of socialism ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Types_of_socialism ) so trying to paint it all in this authoritarian communism to red scare demonize socialists absurd, neverminding that there is a very large Ayn Randian movement of libertarian objectivism atheists, I reiterate:
You don't seem to understand what atheism or socialism is.
 

jonathan180iq

Well-Known Member
Denying someone their freedom of speech is just going to get you slapped with a lawsuit.

Um, no.

That's ridiculous.

A website that lets you have a free account for saying whatever you like is still a private business. They can control the content under their name as much as they like. There is no possible lawsuit here.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Um, no.

That's ridiculous.

A website that lets you have a free account for saying whatever you like is still a private business. They can control the content under their name as much as they like. There is no possible lawsuit here.
I tend to agree. As a private company, like RF, they are pretty much in control of whatever content they wish to have appear on their site.
 

james bond

Well-Known Member
Woah? The 911 attack was done with planes. How tall exactly did you think the wall would be? :confused:

You're taking it too literally. I said scale. So, now you're going off on a tangent instead of explaining what this Muslim case is about. That's okay. You brought it up, but cannot explain it. There should be others who can.

I'll assume my atheism leads to communism statement was clear :).
 

james bond

Well-Known Member
When you show me a valid argument. All you're doing now is reducing both atheism and socialism to one thing, rather than the umbrella for many beliefs and political stances it is.
Neverminding that being atheist doesn't mean you can't be religious (and plenty of spiritual atheists abound), neverminding that there are dozens of types of socialism ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Types_of_socialism ) so trying to paint it all in this authoritarian communism to red scare demonize socialists absurd, neverminding that there is a very large Ayn Randian movement of libertarian objectivism atheists, I reiterate:
You don't seem to understand what atheism or socialism is.

Last point first. Why am I supposed to understand what you believe in? Why the double standard? Why am I made to explain my Christianity and beliefs in capitalism when atheists and Democratic socialists are in the Democrat party?

Right now, we're discussing democratic socialism because of Bernie Sanders. Hillary Clinton was asked what is the difference between a socialist and a Democrat? Can you explain? What is the difference?
 

ADigitalArtist

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Last point first. Why am I supposed to understand what you believe in? Why the double standard? Why am I made to explain my Christianity and beliefs in capitalism when atheists and Democratic socialists are in the Democrat party?
This didn't actually address my point. This isn't about my belief, it's about knowing that there are more beliefs than your apparently tiny narrow sliver of understanding. I KNOW there are a lot of different branches of Christianity. Did you know that there are a lot of different branches of socialism? Even democratic socialism?

Right now, we're discussing democratic socialism because of Bernie Sanders. Hillary Clinton was asked what is the difference between a socialist and a Democrat? Can you explain? What is the difference?
Actually you said atheism leads to communism, which is one of the silliest things I've heard all week. Since not all atheists are secular, not all atheists are socialist, and socialism =/= communism, nor is socialism confined to secular beliefs (e.g. religious socialist parts of Scandanavia)
 

james bond

Well-Known Member
This didn't actually address my point. This isn't about my belief, it's about knowing that there are more beliefs than your apparently tiny narrow sliver of understanding. I KNOW there are a lot of different branches of Christianity. Did you know that there are a lot of different branches of socialism? Even democratic socialism?


Actually you said atheism leads to communism, which is one of the silliest things I've heard all week. Since not all atheists are secular, not all atheists are socialist, and socialism =/= communism, nor is socialism confined to secular beliefs (e.g. religious socialist parts of Scandanavia)

It's not silly, it's true ha ha. All of the people I listed are atheist and democratic socialists or sympathizers and heading towards state atheism and communism. I just looked who were atheists and political and many fell into the Democrat Party. Too many to be a coincidence.

Why don't you look up who is Christian or religious and political?

Moreover, I didn't say ALL atheists are socialist heading towards communism. This has to do with being political. It has to do with being atheist and socialist as found in the Democrat Party. Are there Christian or religious and socialist or communist in the Republican Party?

More evasion of my questions. Just admit you do not know and that you're the one who is ignorant. If it's not your belief, then why are you making statements like I do not understand atheism and socialism? If you were someone who knew, then you would not have insulted me, but took the time to explain. Such hypocrisy :rolleyes:.
 

ADigitalArtist

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
It's not silly, it's true ha ha. All of the people I listed are atheist and democratic socialists or sympathizers and heading towards state atheism and communism. I just looked who were atheists and political and many fell into the Democrat Party. Too many to be a coincidence.

Why don't you look up who is Christian or religious and political?

Moreover, I didn't say ALL atheists are socialist heading towards communism. This has to do with being political. It has to do with being atheist and socialist as found in the Democrat Party. Are there Christian or religious and socialist or communist in the Republican Party?

More evasion of my questions. Just admit you do not know and that you're the one who is ignorant. If it's not your belief, then why are you making statements like I do not understand atheism and socialism? If you were someone who knew, then you would not have insulted me, but took the time to explain. Such hypocrisy :rolleyes:.
You're not asking questions, you're making silly assertions and broad, sweeping generalizations. And not even very clear ones, do you have some issue with the English language?
I already gave you a good place to start about different types of socialism and different types of atheism. But you didn't look. So I guess I can't help you.
 
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