Inquire of God
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I am not going to oblivion. I don't think there are very many that are.
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Two Things That Confuse Me About Christianity
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Trailblazer
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I learned many, many years ago that I have no control over other people, places or things, so I cannot cause anyone to hate God. So I do not feel guilty for sharing how I feel about God. I do not really hate God, I hate that God created this material world which is a storehouse of suffering and we are forced to endure it till we die.
Storehouse of Suffering quote
No, most atheists do not hug up to me because I say I hate God, as they do not even believe that God exists.
But atheists do have valid points when they say that if God exists He sure is off-duty.
SeekingAllTruth
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TrueBeliever37
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I learned many, many years ago that I have no control over other people, places or things, so I cannot cause anyone to hate God. So I do not feel guilty for sharing how I feel about God. I do not really hate God, I hate that God created this material world which is a storehouse of suffering and we are forced to endure it till we die.
Storehouse of Suffering quote
No, most atheists do not hug up to me because I say I hate God, as they do not even believe that God exists.
But atheists do have valid points when they say that if God exists He sure is off-duty.
You can deny it all you want. But they love it when you spew your hate of God and talk bad about him - whether they believe in him or not. No need to continue this. Love or hate him, it's your choice.
I am wondering to which 'hell ' you are referring___________The Bible's hell, or some religious-myth hell __________
Religious-myth hell teaches a burning hell forever, the Bible's hell is just mankind's temporary stone-cold grave for the sleeping dead.
When King James translated the word Gehenna into English as hell fire that put the flames in hell.
Gehenna was just a garbage pit outside of Jerusalem where thing were destroyed. Thus, Gehenna stands for: destruction.
The Bible's hell comes to a final end according to the Bible at Revelation 20:13-14.
After everyone in biblical hell is ' delivered up ' (meaning resurrected out of biblical hell) then emptied-out hell is cast vacant into that symbolic ' second death ' for vacated biblical hell.
While in biblical hell the dead sleep in death according to Jesus at John 11:11-14.
So, while dead Jesus was in hell (grave) he was in a sleep-like state until his God resurrected Jesus out of hell - Acts 2:27.
Jesus was well educated in the old Hebrew Scriptures which teach sleep in death - Psalms 115:17; Isaiah 38:18; Ecclesiastes 9:5
As for the wicked: they will be destroyed forever (Not burned) - Psalms 92:7; Psalms 104:35; Proverbs 2:21-22.
The choice then is: 'repent' if you don't want to ' perish ' (be destroyed) - 2 Peter 3:9
1. Eternal / Everlasting Life either on Earth or in Heaven.
2. Eternal /Everlasting Destruction (perish forever).
3. Biblical hell ( grave ) gone forever. ' Enemy Death ' to be brought to nothing according to 1 Corinthians 15:26.
I find only the wicked will be: destroyed forever - Psalms 92:7; Psalms 37:38; Psalms 37:10; Psalms 104:35; Proverbs 2:21-22
Very interesting thought ^ above ^.
Besides Rev. 14:11, please note Revelation 19:3 ( False religion's ' smoke ' ascends forever )
I am wondering if you ever read Isaiah 34:10 because the smoke from Edom goes up forever.
We know Edom's smoke was Not permanent, but God's adverse judgement stands forever.
So, just as Edom was destroyed forever, so will all false religion go up in a figurative ' plume of smoke ' forever and ever.
Inquire of God
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Well, to be brief, which I love, I am referring to the hell that people could go to as judgment for their sins and/or unrepented sins AFTER they are resurrected and judged or if they never obtained a body after their judgment. No scriptural backup or proof is being offered on my part, just my opinion and interpretation.
Inquire of God
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I actually agree that people can be destroyed but have been given a lot of grief for that opinion, but the Lord says in the New Testament to fear Him who can destroy both body and soul in hell. He does not say they WILL be destroyed, but He does say they CAN be destroyed.
rational experiences
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Basic one self a human..Hu and man advice about man.
Man living as a human in science thesis said self was more powerful than God.
Thesis God for human science the products in mass.
So we called him a name and said he was. Satanist.
His science law in heavens in an imaged cooled vision detailing how mountain top mass was converted on a flooded earth via UFO radiation.
His lucifer belief of being more powerful than one God mass held pressurized present by space vacuum.
Virtually you realise a man scientific egotist whose claim is I can change God mother law womb vacuum and God mass. Discussed original sin mass being consumed in space.
All stories written about God O mass presence...converting in reactive space science beginning human theories.
What everyone ignored today. Science can only be practiced by thesis standing on a planet using its materials.
No matter what stories they spruik about space.
Instantly cold space presence vacuum is theories by science to return to a hotter space. When we live in colder space.
The Christian movement. Humans who life was being sacrificed by Jewish Roman temple pyramid control.
Who a Christian was in history. Humans suffering who knew.
Jewish humanity harmed in Moses temple theme no longer supporting victimisation in the sciences.
Truth of Jesus revelations taught by leadership of scientific wisdom against occult science practices.
Jews said it was not just one man that was harmed huge groups of humans sacrificed harm the correct teaching.
Therefore if you idolized self...man as one propose you forgot Hu man was the self you should have supported equal sacrifice
Man self possesed in AI conditions occult satanism irradiated only self idolised as status civilization supports.
The teaching everything including God mass was sacrificed ignored. As was don't self idolise ignored.
Reason radiation AI brain effect.
Man living as a human in science thesis said self was more powerful than God.
Thesis God for human science the products in mass.
So we called him a name and said he was. Satanist.
His science law in heavens in an imaged cooled vision detailing how mountain top mass was converted on a flooded earth via UFO radiation.
His lucifer belief of being more powerful than one God mass held pressurized present by space vacuum.
Virtually you realise a man scientific egotist whose claim is I can change God mother law womb vacuum and God mass. Discussed original sin mass being consumed in space.
All stories written about God O mass presence...converting in reactive space science beginning human theories.
What everyone ignored today. Science can only be practiced by thesis standing on a planet using its materials.
No matter what stories they spruik about space.
Instantly cold space presence vacuum is theories by science to return to a hotter space. When we live in colder space.
The Christian movement. Humans who life was being sacrificed by Jewish Roman temple pyramid control.
Who a Christian was in history. Humans suffering who knew.
Jewish humanity harmed in Moses temple theme no longer supporting victimisation in the sciences.
Truth of Jesus revelations taught by leadership of scientific wisdom against occult science practices.
Jews said it was not just one man that was harmed huge groups of humans sacrificed harm the correct teaching.
Therefore if you idolized self...man as one propose you forgot Hu man was the self you should have supported equal sacrifice
Man self possesed in AI conditions occult satanism irradiated only self idolised as status civilization supports.
The teaching everything including God mass was sacrificed ignored. As was don't self idolise ignored.
Reason radiation AI brain effect.
SeekingAllTruth
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Many literal Christians say Edom's smoke is still going up. A Bible literalist is commanded to interpret everything in the Bible literally, nothing figurative.
Brian2
Veteran Member
If you come at the passages from the angle of God having inspired them, then the writers just wrote what was inspired and used the words that they were inspired to use. If you come at it from the angle that the writers just made stuff up then the precise meaning of the words does not matter.
We all tend to justify what we believe. Nevertheless it does not say that animal sacrifice will be forever.
Brian2
Veteran Member
If they were literal then they would say that the judgement on Edom as described in Isa 34 is still to come.
SeekingAllTruth
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You mean turn it into a future prophecy like they do with all unfulfilled prophecy?
SeekingAllTruth
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It uses the word, "FOREVER" twice in Leviticus:
29 “And this shall be a statute forever for you: On the tenth day of the seventh month you must deny yourselvesc]">[c]
34 “And this shall be a statute forever for you: Atonement is to be made once a year for all the sins of the Israelites.”
Is this another case where "forever" when it is used by God doesn't actually mean "forever" it only means "temporarily"?
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I am certainly no Bible expert, but it sure seems t be like Isaiah 34 is a prophecy because it refers to the future. I believe verses 1-15 are metaphorical, not literal but verses 16 and 17 is where they were leading:
16 Seek ye out of the book of the Lord, and read: no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my mouth it hath commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them.
Of course Christians believe that the book of the Lord is the Bible, but there is no reason to think that is what this prophecy is referring to. The Lord God has many books but I believe we should seek the one that is most current.
“…….. Once in about a thousand years shall this City be renewed and readorned…
That City is none other than the Word of God revealed in every age and dispensation. In the days of Moses it was the Pentateuch; in the days of Jesus, the Gospel; in the days of Muhammad, the Messenger of God, the Qur’án; in this day, the Bayán; and in the Dispensation of Him Whom God will make manifest, His own Book—the Book unto which all the Books of former Dispensations must needs be referred, the Book that standeth amongst them all transcendent and supreme.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 269-270
17 And he hath cast the lot for them, and his hand hath divided it unto them by line: they shall possess it for ever, from generation to generation shall they dwell therein.
I do not believe it has been fulfilled yet because I believe the Messiah has come and the judgment is still in progress, thus the dividing is still taking place. Those who recognize the Messiah are divided from those who fail to do so, and the former shall possess their lot forever and ever.
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Trailblazer
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Please note that those verses say "forever for you." They do not day "forever."
As such, I believe these verses only refer to the Dispensation of Moses and the Jewish people living back then. Nothing God says applies forever. God's Word changes in every age as humans and their world change; so of course animal sacrifices were not intended to be forever, they were for an age and a people of the past.
SeekingAllTruth
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Well, that's exactly right, Trail. We have to remember that the real God didn't have anything to do with putting together all these convoluted rituals. They were devised by Levite priests no differently than how shamans down in Amazonia put together ritual dances to their rain gods. The Levites didn't have any communication with Yahweh, that's just all myth. They wrote texts as if Yahweh was dictating all this to them. In truth they were just writing down the instructions as the Jews had been performing them for hundreds of years. Consequently, the Levites in their human minds thought these rituals would go on as long as the Jews remained on earth that's why they have Yahweh saying, "Do these rituals forever." In their minds Yahweh would want them to do these forever. They had no way to know that 600 years later the Romans would completely annihilate their temple and stop their sacrifices. It had nothing to do with the Jews knowing in 500 BC that Yahweh wanted Jesus to replace the animal sacrifice. It had everything to do with the proto-orthodox Jewish Christians post 70 CE needing a new kind of permanent sacrifice to replace the annual animal one they lost.
Proto-orthodox Christianity - Wikipedia
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Thanks. I try to use logic when analyzing the scriptures in light of what I believe happened later, but I do not know the history, which is necessary in order to understand what really happened back then.
rational experiences
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Thesis science.
Thesis I built science out of God. Earth mass. Mind says I built God.
I time shifted God by sun time nuclear.
As above so below.
Stone does not time shift. Natural.
Machines metals involved.
God begins with Alchemy. Mineral mass.why Alchemy was banned when they smoking burnt God. Time shifted mass back to God hell. Beginnings heavens.
Said theoried irradiating space beginnings of God heavens.
Gases heavens came from hell of God volcanic eruption.
Mountain cities stone returned came from hell after humans time shifted God earth mass. Rose up and rebuilt presence stone.
Warning UFO core heart sacrifice smoking had not stopped.
Warning destroyer science man mind will return to copy history sciences and do it again.
Metal matching body gain. God gone as seal already to get evil machine body.
Thesis design machine presence in strings also.
String already takes mass back in time to own machine body. One mass of natural God gone.
Machine alien. The metal then reacts removed Satan mass to point combustion. Earth gas heaven small energy body. Equals cold gases removed to own machine to gain hotter gas equals.
Cold gas seal. Change mineral equals hot gas already in heavens.
Reaction in machine then owns equals of day gas burning removed.
Metal said science mind equals why gases cold are burning.
As above so below basic statement to make an everyday human think about what science caused to our heavens to have man hu man as 2 life equals sacrificed by evil mother sciences. The false female
Why we said he is our destroyer of planet earth. Stephen Haw KING warning.
Thesis I built science out of God. Earth mass. Mind says I built God.
I time shifted God by sun time nuclear.
As above so below.
Stone does not time shift. Natural.
Machines metals involved.
God begins with Alchemy. Mineral mass.why Alchemy was banned when they smoking burnt God. Time shifted mass back to God hell. Beginnings heavens.
Said theoried irradiating space beginnings of God heavens.
Gases heavens came from hell of God volcanic eruption.
Mountain cities stone returned came from hell after humans time shifted God earth mass. Rose up and rebuilt presence stone.
Warning UFO core heart sacrifice smoking had not stopped.
Warning destroyer science man mind will return to copy history sciences and do it again.
Metal matching body gain. God gone as seal already to get evil machine body.
Thesis design machine presence in strings also.
String already takes mass back in time to own machine body. One mass of natural God gone.
Machine alien. The metal then reacts removed Satan mass to point combustion. Earth gas heaven small energy body. Equals cold gases removed to own machine to gain hotter gas equals.
Cold gas seal. Change mineral equals hot gas already in heavens.
Reaction in machine then owns equals of day gas burning removed.
Metal said science mind equals why gases cold are burning.
As above so below basic statement to make an everyday human think about what science caused to our heavens to have man hu man as 2 life equals sacrificed by evil mother sciences. The false female
Why we said he is our destroyer of planet earth. Stephen Haw KING warning.