And one big problem there is that nobody wants to deal with Pakistan, which has supported the Taliban consistently through all of this.
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U.S. European Allies Not Happy With Biden's Afghanstain Policy
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And one big problem there is that nobody wants to deal with Pakistan, which has supported the Taliban consistently through all of this.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
There definitely was a failure with the intelligence on this, and maybe it's at least partially because advisors often want to tell their superiors what they want and/or expect to hear.
Occupying Afghanistan was doomed to failure from the get-go as no previous power was even been able to hold onto it for long, especially since it simply is not an organized country with a central authority. The unfortunate irony is that I think the Taliban may actually be able to do just that because the regional war-lords have largely fled.
I'm just asking since a response given was the US setup a government which was not supported by the people of Afghanistan. So just wonder what could have been done better.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
No. Invading was the right thing.
However we got the snakes that were responsible for 9/11. Totally killed bin laden and fed his carcass to the dogs.
It should have been mission accomplished at that point. Justice was served.
ElishaElijah
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Doesn’t sound like a failure with intelligence other than those who didn’t listen to the warnings of the intelligence community on the proper way to leave, ended up leaving weapons, US citizens and bailed on the Afghanistan people who were helping us over there.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
The warnings were not universally shared amongst them, and as a matter of fact, most of the experts I read or heard did feel that the Taliban would take over but not likely until the end of the year.
So, if you think we "bailed", how much longer should we have stayed? Five years? ten? another 20?
We should have known better than to let ourselves gets bogged down again, but our condescending arrogance got in the way.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
It's Pakistan having nukes that is most bothersome.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
No, it just wasn't. It was a foolish response.
For one his body was dumped in the ocean, not fed to the dogs.
And that came with more US troops being killed than civilians killed during 9/11. It was a stupid long and ridiculously expensive endeavor that ultimately done nothing. This dumb way of thinking Americans have of thinking getting rid of top bad guy will take care of the problem never works.
There were smart ways of doing this. Full scale invasion and occupation was not a smart way.
ElishaElijah
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It’s not the leaving that was the problem it was how Biden did it! He totally messed up in how he left. That’s the problem. Hope you can see that
Army Vet takes a flamethrower to Biden’s surrender speech…
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
That's not what you said if you check back. Yes, he did mess it up, no doubt, but that was in part due to the fact that there were different intelligence reports, which I also had read & heard.
BTW, I don't think Trump would have likely done any better since he committed us to withdraw on May 1st of this year and yet they also hadn't started the vetting process. However, Biden is president, but I do give him some credit at least for "owning" it ("The buck stops here".} and not blaming others. Do you honestly think that Trump would have done the same? If so, I gotta nice bridge to sell ya.
ElishaElijah
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If you look back I exactly said “proper way to leave” which Biden didn’t and yes Trump would’ve done a lot better job at making sure our people and equipment were out of there. No way would he have left like Biden just did. Did you actually listen to the video I posted which Matt Zeller spells it out?That's not what you said if you check back. Yes, he did mess it up, no doubt, but that was in part due to the fact that there were different intelligence reports, which I also had read & heard.
BTW, I don't think Trump would have likely done any better since he committed us to withdraw on May 1st of this year and yet they also hadn't started the vetting process. However, Biden is president, but I do give him some credit at least for "owning" it ("The buck stops here".} and not blaming others. Do you honestly think that Trump would have done the same? If so, I gotta nice bridge to sell ya.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Not according to former Trump advisor John Bolton, who said that they were planning to going ahead on May 1st of this year if they won, and yet they hadn't even started the vetting process. Trump probably would have mishandled this just as much as he did with covid. And let me remind you that Trump sent Pompeo to negotiate with the Taliban, apparently with the naivety that any "agreement" with the Taliban would be fulfilled by them.
I listened to two interviews of him, and I totally agree with him. What about me posting that the Biden administration screwed up don't you understand?
ElishaElijah
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All speculation and more liberal BS probably because people still can’t admit how bad they got deceived and still can’t see how Democrat politicians pull the wool over peoples eyes. Ex. the perversion of words like Infrastructure bill that has more pork than anything else, Covid bill with only 10% Covid money. Critical Race theory that is just racism and judging people by skin color.
Democrat leadership are just hirelings that will jump ship when everything crashes.
Opinion | Mike Pence: Biden Broke Our Deal With the Taliban
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metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
What's the alternative? Blindly supporting all that Trump does while pretending to believe in Judeo-Christian morality?
Biden, faults and all, at least has compassion for others, which the likes of Lindsey Graham and Meghan McCain have acknowledged amongst numerous of Republicans, while Trump has only compassion for himself, and that's according to his own sister that he says he's the closest to and also his own niece.
So, do you actually take seriously Jesus' words of "love one another" or are you going to shuck that off and go with the utter dishonest and depravity that Trump constantly exhibits? It's your call, and there's no ground in-between.
As my father, an old Army vet, used to tell us, "Sh*t or get off the pot!", so is your choice still going to be with dishonesty and depravity or with at least someone who is not so self-centered?
Friend of Mara
Active Member
Yeah this whole thing has been a debacle. Every sitting president since Bush jr is to blame. Even more so the congress members that have voted for it.