Subduction Zone
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But as you as much as admitted, this was a case of the Republicans not doing their job. Not the Democrats.
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U.S. House approves bill banning transgender student athletes in girls sports
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Like it is in Harry Potter...*nods*
Well it will certainly make campaigning against them easier for the Republicans. The public doesn't want biological males competing in female sports.
The voters will require this of them. So, yes, it is outstanding. Just not the way you meant.
It was a losing vote. The bill was sure to pass the House. Biden has said he will veto it. So a smart Democrat would have voted yes to save taking heat for an unpopular "no" vote.
Curious George
Veteran Member
Your right, Spending Clause then.
Alien826
No religious beliefs
It has been generally thought that men are better at chess than women. More educated opinions say that's not true.
I'd prefer a degree of integrity over that type of 'smart' politician.
And I'm applying that to both sides of the political divide.
Uhm... Whatever you say is right... Obviously. /s
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Well, that could be a problem but, imo it's important to do that which is right and not politically expedient. It's unfortunate that all too many, especially Pubs, are gullible enough to fall for this "culture wars" nonsense and not hold the Pub's feet to the fire and force them to actually come up with programs that really address the many serious problems we have to face as a nation. Heck, in the 2020 election, they didn't even put forth a "party platform" that both parties have done for many decades!
Go for it. But don't be surprised when realpolitik pushes back.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
BTW, only 1.6 million Americans out of 350 million Americans consider themselves to be transgender. IOW, if we do the math, we're talking significantly less that 1.0% of the population.
How Many Adults and Youth Identify as Transgender in the United States?
williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu
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Why would I be surprised by that? There are two different concepts at play here;
1) what is effective in winning votes
2) what is effective in winning MY vote
I'm in no way naïve enough to think those things are the same. But I control only my own actions.
Regrettably I am not one of those wildly impulsive hedonistic atheists I hear so much about, more's the shame.
In any case, this isn't a bill I would support were I in a position to influence such things. Blanket government policies are not commonly supported by Republicans, apart from when they are, it seems.
FWIW...and perhaps this doesn't interest you...I think the whole issue is a lot more nuanced and contextual than any blanket ban...or blanket acceptance...would allow for, and should largely be determined by the governing bodies of the sports themselves, within whatever broad guidelines society at large might deem appropriate. I argued so in a recent thread here on RF, and got some level of pushback from some of the more left leaning folks here.
BTW, only 1.6 million Americans out of 350 million Americans consider themselves to be transgender. IOW, if we do the math, we're talking significantly less that 1.0% of the population.
How Many Adults and Youth Identify as Transgender in the United States?
williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu
Traditionally, there has obviously been cultural pressure against identifying as transgender, and the relaxing of this pressure to some degree is possibly a key cause in the trend towards increased numbers of young people identifying as transgender, or otherwise queer.
I don't think we are at the end of that journey, either, so I'd estimate the overall numbers will increase, both in percentage and absolute terms.
But...I'm not sure why/if that matters, though?
(I don't think anything I said would surprise or be controversial, but an example of evidence...)
Report Reveals Sharp Rise in Transgender Young People in the U.S. (Published 2022)
New estimates based on C.D.C. health surveys point to a stark generational shift in the growth of the transgender population of the United States.
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metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Probably so, as we saw much the same happen with the gay community.
It will for the right-wing that want to keep playing the "culture wars" game, which betrays conservatism.
Supporters of this bill don't see it as limiting trans people. They see it as protecting the rights of females. I understand that you and others don't see it that way. But realize that those who see it as protecting the rights of females are in the majority.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
So, what are the "rights of females" and where did they come from? Are you speaking for them?
Colt
Well-Known Member
There are only 2 sexes but many actors and actresses. A male who pretends to be a female and competes in women's sports is an outraged to the women in the sport!21 states and counting. Btw, I agree they shouldn't be in female sports.
"U.S. House approves bill banning transgender student athletes in girls sports"
WASHINGTON — U.S. House Republicans voted Thursday to prohibit transgender student athletes from competing on girls sports teams consistent with their gender identity, at the same time multiple GOP-dominated states are making similar moves.
The bill, H.R. 734, which would apply to K-12 schools as well as colleges that receive federal funding, passed on a party-line vote of 219-203. It has no chance of success in the U.S. Senate, which is narrowly controlled by Democrats.
The measure singles out transgender female athletes by making it a violation of Title IX for schools to allow “a person whose sex is male to participate in an athletic program or activity that is designated for women or girls.” Title IX prohibits discrimination based on sex in education programs.
Its broad language would amend Title IX so that “sex shall be recognized based solely on a person’s reproductive biology and genetics at birth.”
The White House released a statement saying President Joe Biden would veto the legislation if it ever came to his desk.".....
"Those 21 states that have passed bans on transgender youth in sports are Montana, Idaho, South Dakota, North Dakota, Iowa, Utah, Arizona, Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana, Alabama, Florida, South Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky, Kansas, West Virginia, Wyoming, Indiana and Mississippi."
U.S. House approves bill banning transgender student athletes in girls sports • Missouri Independent
U.S. House Republicans voted to prohibit transgender athletes from competing on girls sports teams consistent with their gender identity.missouriindependent.com
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Yeah, there are more sexualities and genders than 2 sexes and those who are neither XX or XY. But yes, there are always grey areas in all social contexts and sometimes we need laws for that. That is how a democracy works, even a republic like the USA.
All people have a right to a safe public environment. Females have voiced legitimate concerns about their safety by allowing people with phalli in their dressing rooms.