U.S. support for Israel

[Agnostic75]

Osama Bin Laden has said that the terrorist attacks on 9/1/01 were the result of U.S. support for Israel.

According to Nobel Prize winning economist Joseph Stiglitz, the war in Iraq alone has cost the U.S. 3 trillion dollars. The Iraq War Will Cost Us $3 Trillion, and Much More - washingtonpost.com

That three trillion dollars was far more than the entire bailout and the recently passed healthcare bill combined.

Apparently, many Americans naively believe that the U.S. has unlimited money and power.

An article at The Sunburn - Iran's Awesome Nuclear Anti-Ship Missile, if true, shows that the U.S. might be poorly prepared to contest Iran with ships in the Persian Gulf.

 

[Sunstone]

If the question is, "Should the US support Israel?", I think the answer is a qualified "yes". For instance, I think we should do what we can to guarantee that Israel is not '"pushed into the sea", even if that means going to war in defense of Israel. But at the same time, I do not believe we have any responsibility to support Israel's illegal settlement policy, and that, in fact, we should instead oppose Israel's illegal settlement policy.

 

[darkendless]

Does the US recieve loans from thw world bank to pay for their aggression?

 

[Agnostic75]

If the question is, "Should the US support Israel?", I think the answer is a qualified "yes".

Why? Are you saying that the Partition of Palestine in 1948 was fair? If so, why?

Are you saying that the U.S. should spend an unlimited amount of money to defend Israel?

 

[Sunstone]

Why? Are you saying that the Partition of Palestine in 1948 was fair? If so, why?

Nope, the Partition wasn't fair. But that's water under the bridge now. In other words, it's irrelevant today. In the same sense that today it's irrelevant that I'm sitting on land stolen from Native Americans. The theft of land from Native Americans was both a tragedy and an injustice, but you cannot alter the past. That's to say, to rectify the past would create just as great or even greater of a tragedy and injustice today as that which was done in the past created. To destroy Israel in order to rectify its founding would create a tragedy and injustice at least as great -- and probably greater -- than its founding created.

Are you saying that the U.S. should spend an unlimited amount of money to defend Israel?

Of course not.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

To be truthful, Israel doesn't need the US's help. Israel has a good millitary, one of the best in the Middle East. I'm quite certain Israel can take care of themselves. Trust me, I have talked to people who live in Israel, they say they honestly don't care if the US withdraws support, they don't need it.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Osama Bin Laden has said that the terrorist attacks on 9/1/01 were the result of U.S. support for Israel.

According to Nobel Prize winning economist Joseph Stiglitz, the war in Iraq alone has cost the U.S. 3 trillion dollars. The Iraq War Will Cost Us $3 Trillion, and Much More - washingtonpost.com

That three trillion dollars was far more than the entire bailout and the recently passed healthcare bill combined.

Apparently, many Americans naively believe that the U.S. has unlimited money and power.

An article at The Sunburn - Iran's Awesome Nuclear Anti-Ship Missile, if true, shows that the U.S. might be poorly prepared to contest Iran with ships in the Persian Gulf.

You're babbling ... :yes:

 

[fallingblood]

You're babbling ... :yes:

That was what I was thinking.

 

[Agnostic75]

You're babbling.

Not at all. Why should the U.S. have interfered in a religious war between Jews and Muslims that has been going on for centuries?

 

[Agnostic75]

Nope, the Partition wasn't fair. But that's water under the bridge now. In other words, it's irrelevant today.

I am not a fan of Muslims, but they do not believe that it is irrevelant, and they believe that Allah will help them recover what they believe is their land. If a powerful conquerer occupied the U.S., would you say that it was irrelevant because the conqueror was powerful? The war in Iraq is certainly relevant because it has cost the U.S. 3 trillion dollars. In addition, U.S. support for Israel might cause a nuclear war in the Middle East and beyond.

I am not suggesting that there is a good solution to the problem. I am only suggesting that Muslims have some valid moral arguments. Overall, I prefer Jews over Muslims. As an example, Israel allows openly homosexual people to join the military, and many Muslims support injuring, killing, and imprisoning homosexuals.

I guess that one of the best things that we can do is try to learn from the past. In your opinion, would it have been better if the U.S. and Britain had not suppported Jews in the first place going back to Britain's Balfour Declaration in 1917?

 

[dogsgod]

To be truthful, Israel doesn't need the US's help. Israel has a good millitary, one of the best in the Middle East. I'm quite certain Israel can take care of themselves. Trust me, I have talked to people who live in Israel, they say they honestly don't care if the US withdraws support, they don't need it.

Without US aid, Israel does not exist as it does. What would pay for that military you mention if not the US, tourism?

 

[fallingblood]

I am not a fan of Muslims, but they do not believe that it is irrevelant, and they believe that Allah will help them recover what they believe is their land. If a powerful conquerer occupied the U.S., would you say that it was irrelevant because the conqueror was powerful? The war in Iraq is certainly relevant because it has cost the U.S. 3 trillion dollars. In addition, U.S. support for Israel might cause a nuclear war in the Middle East and beyond.

How does the Iraq war correlate to U.S. support for Israel? You seem to be jumping around quite a bit. Also, are you aware that Allah the same as the Christian or Jewish God? In addition, the Jewish people also believed that God (Allah) would help them recover what they believe is their land.

I am not suggesting that there is a good solution to the problem. I am only suggesting that Muslims have some valid moral arguments. Overall, I prefer Jews over Muslims. As an example, Israel allows openly homosexual people to join the military, and many Muslims support injuring, killing, and imprisoning homosexuals.

And many Jewish people support injuring, killing, and imprisoning homosexuals.

I just don't know how your initial post really fits in. I can see how Osama's statement fit in, but then you jumped to Iraq (which had no connection with Osama), and the healthcare bale out, and on. So I have no idea what you are really trying to achieve. I just see rambling.

 

[Sunstone]

I am not a fan of Muslims, but they do not believe that it is irrevelant, and they believe that Allah will help them recover what they believe is their land. If a powerful conquerer occupied the U.S., would you say that it was irrelevant because the conqueror was powerful? The war in Iraq is certainly relevant because it has cost the U.S. 3 trillion dollars. In addition, U.S. support for Israel might cause a nuclear war in the Middle East and beyond.

Nothing that you say changes the fact that today it would be an unacceptable injustice and tragedy for Israel to be destroyed.

 

[dogsgod]

Nothing that you say changes the fact that today it would be an unacceptable injustice and tragedy for Israel to be destroyed.

Can you say the same for Palestine?

 

[Sunstone]

Can you say the same for Palestine?

I believe so.

 

[Agnostic75]

And many Jewish people support injuring, killing, and imprisoning homosexuals.

Please quote your sources:

Consider the following:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Israel#Military_service

Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender (LGBT) rights in Israel are considered the most developed in the Middle East.[1] In November 2005, a groundbreaking court decision in Israel ruled that a lesbian spouse could officially adopt a child born to her current partner, by artificial insemination from an anonymous sperm donor; this ruling was despite protests by the Orthodox Jewish parliamentary parties (which are a minority). Common law marriage has already been similarly achieved (which grants most of the official marriage rights to the spouse), but full official same-sex marriage has not yet been sanctioned. However, same-sex marriages performed elsewhere are recognized.

Israel also has one of the highest percentages of support for same-sex marriage in the world, with 61% of Israelis supporting civil marriage for same-sex couples.[2]

Israel, Jordan, Turkey, Iraq and Cyprus are the only countries in the Middle East[3] where homosexuality between consenting adults in private is not illegal and homosexuals are not persecuted under law. In most other Middle Eastern countries homosexuality is illegal, often punishable by flogging and even hanging. Israel was the first country in Asia where homosexuals were protected by anti-discrimination laws,[4] and remains the only country in the Middle East to provide such legal protection.

Out Magazine has named Tel Aviv "the gay capital of the Middle East."[5] In August 2009, an armed attacker shot dead two people and injured 15 more in an attack on a lesbian and gay centre in Tel Aviv[6]. The incident has been deplored by many organizations and government officials, such as the Prime Minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, and President Shimon Peres.

Openly gay soldiers serve without hindrance in all branches of the military. Discrimination against gay and lesbian soldiers in recruitment, placement and promotion is prohibited in Israel.[10]

Since 1993, homosexuals have been allowed to openly serve in the military, including special units.

 

[arimoff]

Osama Bin Laden has said that the terrorist attacks on 9/1/01 were the result of U.S. support for Israel.

According to Nobel Prize winning economist Joseph Stiglitz, the war in Iraq alone has cost the U.S. 3 trillion dollars. The Iraq War Will Cost Us $3 Trillion, and Much More - washingtonpost.com

That three trillion dollars was far more than the entire bailout and the recently passed healthcare bill combined.

Apparently, many Americans naively believe that the U.S. has unlimited money and power.

An article at The Sunburn - Iran's Awesome Nuclear Anti-Ship Missile, if true, shows that the U.S. might be poorly prepared to contest Iran with ships in the Persian Gulf.

what has the war in Iraq have to do with Israel, Palestine or even osama bin ladan? To blame Israel and Jews for going to war in Iraq spending peoples tax money and loosing lives of American solders (who think they are fighting for American freedom) is antisemitism and nothing more. It is always when people look to through the blame on someone they always find Jews.

 

[Agnostic75]

I should have done more research on Israel's involvement in the Iraq war. I am not reasonably certain what all of the causes were.

 

[Reverend Rick]

what has the war in Iraq have to do with Israel, Palestine or even osama bin ladan? To blame Israel and Jews for going to war in Iraq spending peoples tax money and loosing lives of American solders (who think they are fighting for American freedom) is antisemitism and nothing more. It is always when people look to through the blame on someone they always find Jews.

:yes: I will always support Israel.

 

[kai]

I should have done more research on Israel's involvement in the Iraq war. I am not reasonably certain what all of the causes were.

Then a little more research is in order.