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Umm, a Discussion About Hell
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Heneni
Miss Independent
HEHE moonwater. Everybody has a head, a master. Everybody except god.
Yeah, what if I consider myself to be my own master? where do I go then?
and wait if everyone except god has a master then doesn't that mean satan has a master too? How does that work?
Heneni
Miss Independent
Ahhh, but moonwater, what if you THINK you are your own master when in fact you are not?
But lets say you are. Like a jedi knight, i guess you go where darf vader is. HEHE.
Satan has a master. GOD. He is on a leash, what does that tell you?
Love
Heneni
Ghostaka
Active Member
Oh Hell is not a nice place judging from the descriptions God has given us in His books.
I will quote from the Quran ... cause that is all the proof I (or any one for that matter) need(s):
No! When the earth is pounded to powder, and your Lord comes with His angels, rank upon rank, and Hell, that Day, is brought [face to face] – on that Day will man remember? But how will that remembrance profit him? {The Holy Quran 89: 21-23}
No, they deny the Hour (of the judgment to come), but We have prepared a blazing fire for such as deny the Hour. When it sees them from a far off place, they will hear its fury and its raging sigh. And when they are cast, bound, in chains, into constricted place therein, they will plead therein for destruction. Do not plead today for a single destruction; plead for destruction oft-repeated. {The Holy Quran 25: 11-14}
They will be given to drink boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels (to pieces). {The Holy Quran 47:15}
Before him is Hell, and he will be given a drink of purulent water. He will gulp it but will hardly (be able to) swallow it. And death will come to him from everywhere, but he is not to die. And before him is a massive punishment. {The Holy Quran 14:16-17}
Then indeed you, O those astray (who are) deniers, will be eating from trees of Zaqqum and filling with it your bellies, and drinking on top of it from scalding water, and will drink as the drinking of thirsty camels. That is their hospitality on the Day of Recompense. {The Holy Quran 56: 51-56}
P.S. Indeed, the tree of Zaqqum is food for the sinful, like murky oil, it boils within bellies, like the boiling of scalding water. {The Holy Quran 44:43-46}
Not a pit? I disagree:
Abu Hurairah (RA) reported: “While we were in the company of Allah’s Messenger (SAW), we heard a terrible sound. Thereupon, Allah’s Messenger (PBUH) said, ‘Do you know what that sound is?’ When we answered, ‘Allah and His Messenger know best.’ He said. “That is a stone which was thrown into Hell seventy years ago and has been constantly falling until now when it finally reached the bottom.’” [Muslim]
There is way too much to post, each reference to Hell more shocking than the previous. If you're still not convinced >>: islamreligion.com/articles/357/
I feel so numb right now!
Peace be upon you.
I will quote from the Quran ... cause that is all the proof I (or any one for that matter) need(s):
No! When the earth is pounded to powder, and your Lord comes with His angels, rank upon rank, and Hell, that Day, is brought [face to face] – on that Day will man remember? But how will that remembrance profit him? {The Holy Quran 89: 21-23}
No, they deny the Hour (of the judgment to come), but We have prepared a blazing fire for such as deny the Hour. When it sees them from a far off place, they will hear its fury and its raging sigh. And when they are cast, bound, in chains, into constricted place therein, they will plead therein for destruction. Do not plead today for a single destruction; plead for destruction oft-repeated. {The Holy Quran 25: 11-14}
They will be given to drink boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels (to pieces). {The Holy Quran 47:15}
Before him is Hell, and he will be given a drink of purulent water. He will gulp it but will hardly (be able to) swallow it. And death will come to him from everywhere, but he is not to die. And before him is a massive punishment. {The Holy Quran 14:16-17}
Then indeed you, O those astray (who are) deniers, will be eating from trees of Zaqqum and filling with it your bellies, and drinking on top of it from scalding water, and will drink as the drinking of thirsty camels. That is their hospitality on the Day of Recompense. {The Holy Quran 56: 51-56}
P.S. Indeed, the tree of Zaqqum is food for the sinful, like murky oil, it boils within bellies, like the boiling of scalding water. {The Holy Quran 44:43-46}
Not a pit? I disagree:
Abu Hurairah (RA) reported: “While we were in the company of Allah’s Messenger (SAW), we heard a terrible sound. Thereupon, Allah’s Messenger (PBUH) said, ‘Do you know what that sound is?’ When we answered, ‘Allah and His Messenger know best.’ He said. “That is a stone which was thrown into Hell seventy years ago and has been constantly falling until now when it finally reached the bottom.’” [Muslim]
There is way too much to post, each reference to Hell more shocking than the previous. If you're still not convinced >>: islamreligion.com/articles/357/
I feel so numb right now!
Peace be upon you.
Francis
UBER-Christian
No, you can't choose to get out, because you've already made up your mind. It's pretty much written in stone. I'm really not sure, but i think that you're caught between a rock and a hard place. You reject God, but hate hell. Ha ha, that's probably part of the torment, come to think of it... Peace!
blackout
Violet.
Ha ha. Torment and torture are really funny.
Especially the never ending kind. :sarcastic
blackout
Violet.
Ahhhh, but hen, what if you are not your own master...
only because you THINK your not?
whatever.
Then what you said about them “continually choosing” is not true. You cannot say they are continually choosing if they do not have a choice.
That much at least is clear. Are you sure there even is a hell?
So does this mean your not going to answer my question? Or is this your way of saying that either god is my master or satan is my master?
I do not follow the path of a jedi. And it's DarTH, not darf
That Satan can't possibly be a master after all? Seriously how can satan be a master if he himself has a master. That may work in a master-apprentice sort of relationship but how about in a master to slave one?(which is the one I assume you are referring to)
Andal
resident hypnotist
on an interesting side note, in the Revelation of Peter, an apocalyptic text left out of the Bible. Peter relates that Jesus showed him Heaven and Hell and told him that there is a secret and that is that Hell is not forever. If just one person in Heaven asks God to free the people in Hell, he will do so and all will enter the kingdom. This would eventually indeed happen.....according to the text anyway.
You can see why it was left out.
You can see why it was left out.
Alceste
Vagabond
Your beliefs don't sound fair to me. There are still people living in the world who have never even heard of your god or your devil. And of course there are people like me who were born incapable of believing in implausible stories without evidence, so from my perspective everybody's gods are the same. There are way more gods and goddesses than the two you mention to choose from if I ever decide I want to be a servant. Does your god create people who don't believe in him, people who believe in other gods, and people who have never even heard of him just to cast them into a lake of fire? Why would anyone serve a sadistic god like that?
Francis
UBER-Christian
): Not exactly what i meant...
No, they can choose, but they really won't, because they've already made their choice. They've made up their minds, and are refusiong to go back on it.
Ouch... Yes, I'm sure there is a Hell, but i'm really not familiar with the details. Not my light readin in my free time. Peace!
I am not sure what tense you are using, past, present or future. You say they made their choice (past), are refusing to go back on it (present) and they won’t choose (future). I am sorry, I don’t want to be mean but you are just not making sense. You say they can choose (meaning it is possible) but you also say that they won’t . If it is possible how can you say with such certainty that it won’t happen? And if you know for sure that it won’t happen how can you say that it can happen?)No, they can choose, but they really won't, because they've already made their choice. They've made up their minds, and are refusiong to go back on it.
I found the initial idea of continually choosing to be very interesting in a metaphorical sense. I think many people end up in hells of their own making, hells that they could free themselves from simply* by deciding to do so.
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* as Alceste points out below this is actually not simple or easy. It is usually extremely difficult.
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Alceste
Vagabond
fantôme profane;1580736 said:
I'd agree with that, except snip out the "simply". I just decided I'm not going to get fat, and trust me, it's anything but simple. I've been going to the gym every other day for two months and haven't lost even one single pound. But I digress! I wanted to mention, in Barbara Kingsolver's book "The Bean Trees", there's a great concept of heaven and hell. I can't remember the details, exactly, but heaven is a banquet laid out before a crowd. Everyone has a spoon as long as her arm, and they use these to feed each other. Hell is the same place, but everybody tries to feed herself.
Interesting thread.
Ghostaka
Active Member
Ah my friend lookie here:
"Indeed, those who disbelieve – it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them – they will not believe. Allāh has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing, and over their vision is a veil. And for them is a great punishment." {The Holy Quran 2: 6-7}
And when it is said to them, "Believe as the people have believed," they say, "Should we believe as the foolish have believed?" Unquestionably, it is they who are the foolish, but they know [it] not.
And when they meet those who believe, they say, "We believe"; but when they are alone with their evil ones, they say, "Indeed, we are with you; we were only mockers.”
[But] Allāh mocks them and prolongs them in their transgression [while] they wander blindly.
Those are the ones who have purchased error [in exchange] for guidance, so their transaction has brought no profit, nor were they guided. {The Holy Quran 2: 13-16}
Deaf, dumb and blind – so they will not return [to the right path]. {The Holy Quran 2:18)
Indeed, Allāh is not timid to present an example – that of a mosquito or what is smaller than it. And those who have believed know that it is the truth from their Lord. But as for those who disbelieve, they say, "What did Allāh intend by this as an example?" He misleads many thereby and guides many thereby. And He misleads not except the defiantly disobedient,
Who break the covenant of Allāh after contracting it and sever that which Allāh has ordered to be joined and cause corruption on earth. It is those who are the losers. {The Holy Quran 2: 26-27}
New perspective: You should asking yourself why people like you have been mentioned in the verses above. Not by me, but by God - *a long time ago*
Sincerely, Peace be upon you.
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Alceste
Vagabond
Hmmmm - You think Allah makes people into non-believers in order to punish them, and if any of us point out this is a pretty stupid thing to believe, the scriptural response is "I know you are, but what am I?"
LOL - I see your religion has covered all the bases then. Well done!
New perspective: You should be asking yourself why so many people think your religion is stupid. Or, put another way, why does Allah make so many unbelievers? He puts "a seal over the heart, eyes, and ears" of BILLIONS of infidels, and reserves "great punishment" for all of us? Is he really so bloodthirsty? And if he is, why serve such an evil god?
Ghostaka
Active Member
Simply because my friend, you do not realize that I am Muslim; conversing with you and you still chose not to believe. Are you saying that everything that I am saying is a lie? Why are you asking me these questions? Will you consider becoming a Muslim even if you did like something I said about Islam? I will tell you your answer... No.
Did this happen to be in you blind spot? Indeed, Allāh is not timid to present an example – that of a mosquito or what is smaller than it. And those who have believed know that it is the truth from their Lord. But as for those who disbelieve, they say, "What did Allāh intend by this as an example?" He misleads many thereby and guides many thereby. And He misleads not except the defiantly disobedient, {The Holy Quran 2:27}
Do you see what I mean? Believe whatever you want my friend because it is not my problem; it is truly yours.
The Holy Quran, Surah 109:
1. Say, "O disbelievers,
2. I do not worship what you worship.
3. Nor are you worshippers of what I worship.
4. Nor will I be a worshipper of what you worship.
5. Nor will you be worshippers of what I worship.
6. For you is your religion, and for me is my religion."
Peace be upon you .... and peace out (for now).
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