UN chief warns global leaders: The world is in ‘great peril’

[muhammad_isa]

Many people suffer and die from pollutants which create inflammation leading to cancer. There are also indications that these may be causing Parkinsons and Alzheimers for many people. We obsess over climate shifts but ignore pollutants that are actively destroying us.

They are connected..
Most pollutants arise due to the financial system that began with the industrial revolution.

Climate change started in exactly the same fashion .. it is all about money.
No surprise there.

 

[F1fan]

Absolutely, and nukes and climate change ain't the only factors. Stephen Hawking felt that because of our self-centeredness that we need to rush and find a different planet or moon to live on.

With the new rockets being tested that will be used to establish settlements on the moon, annd then as a base travel to Mars so we can set up settlements there, how long before they become the lifeboat for earth, and a war starts to be the one's that use it?

We're on a ship on the ocean that is not being taken care of, mostly due to a smaller number of occupants. But their damage is severe and they refuse to acknowledge they are doing it. At some point they will acknowledge the ship is sinking, as being greedy and selfish do we expect them to not fight for the few seats on the lifeboats?

We see right wing people blame politicians while they themselves support and vote for right wing politicans. If politicans are bad, why are they voting for any? Do they really not think through their beliefs and statements to what their actions are? This is why THESE people are seen as threats. They believe political lies, like climate change is a hoax, Trump won in 2020, that democrats are evil, that media is bad (even though they use right wing media), that politicans are the problem (even though they vote for politicans), hate government but use government's power to limit the liberties of women, trans, and others, etc. They don't have a coherent and fact-based perspective, and that means they can't be trusted to help solve real problems.

 

[metis]

With the new rockets being tested that will be used to establish settlements on the moon, annd then as a base travel to Mars so we can set up settlements there, how long before they become the lifeboat for earth, and a war starts to be the one's that use it?

We're on a ship on the ocean that is not being taken care of, mostly due to a smaller number of occupants. But their damage is severe and they refuse to acknowledge they are doing it. At some point they will acknowledge the ship is sinking, as being greedy and selfish do we expect them to not fight for the few seats on the lifeboats?

We see right wing people blame politicians while they themselves support and vote for right wing politicans. If politicans are bad, why are they voting for any? Do they really not think through their beliefs and statements to what their actions are? This is why THESE people are seen as threats. They believe political lies, like climate change is a hoax, Trump won in 2020, that democrats are evil, that media is bad (even though they use right wing media), that politicans are the problem (even though they vote for politicans), etc. They don't have a coherent and fact-based perspective, and that means they can't be truested to help solve real problems.

I simply cannot disagree with you.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I'd wonder how anyone still denies Global Warming, as it's getting to a point where denying it is like denying evolution.

 

[metis]

I'd wonder how anyone still denies Global Warming, as it's getting to a point where denying it is like denying evolution.

Exactly, as the evidence for both is now overwhelming.

When such is put forth politically, it's typically because of a right-wing agenda attached to business interests. When such is put forth in religion, it's usually because they view scripture as being completely inerrant and thus are willing to ignore or dismiss some of the most basic scientific evidence.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Exactly, as the evidence for both is now overwhelming.

When such is put forth politically, it's typically because of a right-wing agenda attached to business interests. When such is put forth in religion, it's usually because they view scripture as being completely inerrant and thus are willing to ignore or dismiss some of the most basic scientific evidence.

There's some it's even scarier than that as they believe Global Warming is Jehovah just burning up the world as he promised so no action necessary nor should it be taken.

 

[F1fan]

Exactly, as the evidence for both is now overwhelming.

When such is put forth politically, it's typically because of a right-wing agenda attached to business interests. When such is put forth in religion, it's usually because they view scripture as being completely inerrant and thus are willing to ignore or dismiss some of the most basic scientific evidence.

I think the real pressure to change will come from insurance costs. Insurance companies have been increasing rates on properties in high risk areas, and even denying policies (which means no mortgages), and as there are more floods, hurricanes, tornadoes, fires, and as heat causes more demand for energy, thus more chances of failure, insurance will be forced to cover losses. That is spread accross all policies. So the cost of climate change having direct effects, like failed crops, increased energy costs, health problems, etc., there will be secondary effects like insurance costs. It will cost, cost, cost. Business will push costs onto buyers, so the middle class and poor are going to get hit harder financially. No one in our economic system wants to be the loser, but the average citizen, the end user, will have the bulk of it heaped on them.

 

[Brickjectivity]

With the new rockets being tested that will be used to establish settlements on the moon, annd then as a base travel to Mars so we can set up settlements there, how long before they become the lifeboat for earth, and a war starts to be the one's that use it?

Here is the #1 obstacle though there are others:

The surface of the moon is covered with microscopic shards of very sharp dust which destroys all manner of equipment by scratching it and by getting into its crevices and by clinging to it. The dust is far worse than the Martian dust. Moon dust destroys space suits in hours. Most Moon equipment will need to be kept under ground and operated under ground. Regular transport to and from the moon would necessitate something to keep the dust away: such as the building either of a tower with an elevator or a high wall that keeps out the dust. The wall should probably be shaped like the sides of a boat: curving outwards and upwards. If anyone got Moon dust into their lungs it would be difficult to get the dust back out. If it got into their eyes they would probably lose some eyesight. Our insects would die in this dust. Our worms would be cut and die. Plants would probably die in it, too. To be made into useful dust it would need to be reworked using expensive processes with heating, milling and sluicing. The safest thing would be to glass the entire surface of the Moon with heat, making it smooth and destroying the evil dust. That, however, would change the appearance of the Moon.

So while we are glassing the moon lets give it a tattoo. How about a smiley face?

 

[Brickjectivity]

They are connected..
Most pollutants arise due to the financial system that began with the industrial revolution.

Climate change started in exactly the same fashion .. it is all about money.
No surprise there.

Some people do not love strangers. Many people do not. If we can change that, then we can stop pollution.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Some people do not love strangers...

Again, nothing new there.
Most people in Jerusalem temple were against Jesus, due to privilege.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I'd wonder how anyone still denies Global Warming, as it's getting to a point where denying it is like denying evolution.

Still , this planet isn't going to turn into Venus with fossil fuels that the fear mongers push. Even if every remaining oil reserve is burnt all at once to the last drop.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Some people do not love strangers. Many people do not. If we can change that, then we can stop pollution.

I'm not keen on loving strangers. That's rather creepy.

Love is earned imv. I like the idea of mutual respect though as I think its one-sidedness that's the core issue.

Compromise is rare these days.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Still , this planet isn't going to turn into Venus with fossil fuels that the fear mongers push. Even if every remaining oil reserve is burnt all at once to the last drop.

That sounds very smug. Do you not care that people are already suffering due to climate change, and it is only going to get worse?

 

[Twilight Hue]

That sounds very smug. Do you not care that people are already suffering due to climate change, and it is only going to get worse?

No. Because experts say a 'runaway greenhouse' effect is unlikely in terms of burning fossil fuels.

Earth is not at risk of becoming a hothouse like Venus, as Stephen Hawking claimed

Stephen Hawking: Earth Could Turn Into Hothouse Planet Like Venus


'Runaway greenhouse' easier to trigger on Earth than thought, study says


I prefer actual honesty and education.

 

[muhammad_isa]

No. Because experts say it's unlikely.

What's unlikely?
That people are going to suffer due to climate-change catastrophes?

The evidence is overwhelming .. it is nothing to do with planet earth being as hot as Venus.
It only takes a few degrees of warming to melt icecaps and drastically change weather patterns etc.
It has already started.

 

[Twilight Hue]

What's unlikely?
That people are going to suffer due to climate-change catastrophes?

The evidence is overwhelming .. it is nothing to do with planet earth being as hot as Venus.
It only takes a few degrees of warming to melt icecaps and drastically change weather patterns etc.
It has already started.

Yes. But it's not going to end life on earth.

 

[F1fan]

Still , this planet isn't going to turn into Venus with fossil fuels that the fear mongers push. Even if every remaining oil reserve is burnt all at once to the last drop.

The planet dying is not the concern. The concern is the planet being so inhospitable that it becomes too diificult and expensive to survive. Think you'd make the cut?

 

[muhammad_isa]

Yes. But it's not going to end life on earth.

So what?
Life won't end on earth until the appointed time.
World War III is serious enough for me, thankyou !

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Yes, the industrial revolution and the vast improvements in communication and transportation, along with other advancements in science and technology. If one looks at the past 200 years and compares it with the previous 4000-6000 years of human history, it is somewhat astounding how far we've come in a relatively short period of time.

And within all of this, is the innovation, but again, I think it is all highly experimental. You can read about how new social media technology might not be healthy for new generations etc. However, it allows all of what we are doing here, for whatever it is worth. It is great to drive far and see a mountain or lake within a day. But it is not good to die in a car accident.

Some ancient tech might have even been better than what we have as well, and greener. Check out how they did air conditioning in the ancient middle-east. No power grid meltdowns, just capture of wind, in a novel way. The romans and the aztecs had toilets that could flush, I thought?

 

[Brickjectivity]

I'm not keen on loving strangers. That's rather creepy.

Love is earned imv. I like the idea of mutual respect though as I think its one-sidedness that's the core issue.

Compromise is rare these days.

Well then how about simple non aggression? That would suffice to get rid of pollution.