UN Experts Express Alarm over "Credible Allegations" of Sexual Assault and Rape Targeting Palestinian Women and Committed by the IDF

[dybmh]

How much time did you give the criminal allegations of rape against Hamas before you claimed them as facts?

Several months.

But I guess it's nice you're more than willing to wait until after any trials before deciding if IDF did anything wrong.

Nothing wrong? I didn't say that. The analyst which intercepted "Jericho-Wall" was ignored twice. That's huge. UNRWA should have never been trusted with humanitarian aid distribution. The US and UK needed to be called in to help with that as soon as the Houthis opened the door to making it a regional conflict. The gross inflammatory remarks by the right wing politicians were a problem. The daily reporting is still lacking in consistency. But the military response has been outstanding. They're doing the right things for Palestinians and the region.

The simple fact that israel does not care about the critics is even better. It means their choices are not driven by popularity. The metrics for success, ethics, and morals are beyond you, and me, and the UN. This is infuriating for those who do not agree with what's happening, but, if the converse is considered, what's happening is good. Military necessity is not a popularity contest. It's doing what needs to be done in spite of how it feels or looks.

 

[dybmh]

You really enjoy reading yourself, don't you?

This thread is not about me. I notice that you cannot defend your position. You've run out of slogans, so now you've shifted your attention to me.

Oh well.

So where's the evidence of this camp in rafah that was bombed? Hmm?

 

[dybmh]

I don't deny that Hamas has done horrific, unjustifiable things, but saying Palestine needs a "radically necessary reboot" that requires killing on a scale that completely dwarfs the offense that started it is a frightening thing to read.

If what's happening in the region is unknown, then, the conclusion that is produced will, naturally, be flawed.

If the only media that is consumed is curated to produce a specific reaction, then, I am not surprised when that reaction is produced.

The reboot does not require that amount of killing, the Palestinians have created an environment which prohibits making the necessary changes without their own tragedy. They have been taught to intentionally seek out their own death. They have been promised a double-reward in heaven if they are killed by a Jew. A door was left open for them to flee to safety, but many of them have chosen to die, have chosen for their children to die, with their pride. It's their choice.

As I stated previously months ago. A ground invasion lacking the air assault would have resulted in many more deaths. The air assault would have occurred anyway. There are only 2 ways to prevent the tragedy. 1) Israel is not attacked. 2) The civilians temporarily leave the area as directed.

If israel is attacked, and the civilians choose not to leave, a lot of people are going to die.

If israel is attacked and it is used as a gateway for negotiations, then more terrorist activities occur. It's already happening. I'll see if I can find the story.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

The simple fact that israel does not care about the critics is even better.

No, it's not. But it is sure clear that Israel doesn't care what anyone thinks.

Military necessity is not a popularity contest. It's doing what needs to be done in spite of how it feels or looks.

You know, there were another group of people that killed a slew of people to "do what needed to be done".

This thread is not about me. I notice that you cannot defend your position. You've run out of slogans, so now you've shifted your attention to me.

I know you're going to think and continue to propagandize that as the case. But you're wrong. I simply recognize trying to hold fruitful discussion with Zionists as a waste of time, because you're just going to sit here and spin out "slogans" and discredit sources because they're not Zionist and call every shadow bump and falling acorn Hamas.

But enjoy your lawn! You're welcome for my tax dollars that Israel requires to keep you going.

 

[Revoltingest]

The simple fact that israel does not care about the critics is even better. It means their choices are not driven by popularity.

That could change. Even Genocide Joe is discovering
that Israel's war crimes are weakening him politically.
US politicians just might become less Israel's tools.

 

[dybmh]

@Guitar's Cry ,

Here:

https://www.wsj.com/world/africa/jihadists-kidnap-scores-of-children-in-northeast-nigeria-7c3da0dc

This is what happens when sovereign countries negotiate with terrorists. It encourages more terrorism.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Trust Nothing unless it comes from Israel, huh?

Unfortunately many journalists aren't towing the line since the gutting of newspapers. The higher-ups in government positions are usually selling something, and since the fall of the newspaper the journalists have disappeared unless they have became entertainers. These days.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Unfortunately many journalists aren't towing the line since the gutting of newspapers. The higher-ups in government positions are usually selling something, and since the fall of the newspaper the journalists have disappeared unless they have became entertainers. These days.

That's where knowing your sources and critically reading everything comes very much in handy, and graphs like this are a good starting point.

 

[Brickjectivity]

That's where knowing your sources and critically reading everything comes very much in handy, and graphs like this are a good starting point.

I think we (in USA) also are somewhat deficient in History and Geography, on the whole. I had a Geography class in my 6th grade year; and that was about it for Geography. Thing is its my own fault for not keeping the material fresh.

 

[dybmh]

No, it's not. But it is sure clear that Israel doesn't care what anyone thinks.

Our ethics and morals are not subservient to you, for good reason. Your morals and ethics permit propagating a never ending war based on nothing more than rumors.

You know, there were another group of people that killed a slew of people to "do what needed to be done".

Apples and oranges. The Palestinians have been attacking the Jews for century. The "slew of people" you're referring to, did nothing.

The Palestinians have been teaching and preaching hate and violence since 2007. The UN has been publishing materials to encourage it. The "slew of people: you're referring to had assimilated into the population and a convenient scapegoat was needed. Israel is a successful nation. It needs no scapegoat.

You simply don't know enough about history to make a valid argument. What else ya got?

They bomb all the evacuation routes? FAIL
Open air prison? FAIL
Colonizers? FAIL
Nazi comparison? FAIL

I've heard all this before. They're just slogans. There's no substance to them.

I simply recognize trying to hold fruitful discussion with Zionists as a waste of time

You've got no real arguments. No history to back up your claims. You've lost the debate just as the Palestinians have lost the war... again. This time, though, I'm confident it will be different. Their teachers, textbooks, and curriculum are being replaced.

 

[dybmh]

That's where knowing your sources and critically reading everything comes very much in handy, and graphs like this are a good starting point.

I see none of the Palestinian "news" organizations on this list.

Where does social media fit into this?

When are you going to disclose your source for the rafah camp air raid? Or did you just make that up?

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Tell us about the Samson Option, dybmh.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

I see none of the Palestinian "news" organizations on this list.

Where does social media fit into this?

When are you going to disclose your source for the rafah camp air raid? Or did you just make that up?

Look closer; Al Jazeera is right there in the center, which is regarded as unbiased. But you've already decried them as Hamas so....

 

[dybmh]

That could change. Even Genocide Joe is discovering
that Israel's war crimes are weakening him politically.
US politicians just might become less Israel's tools.

What's said during the campaign will not effect the executive choices. There will never be an anti-zionist president. It would require a complete over-haul of the defense department.

 

[dybmh]

Tell us about the Samson Option, dybmh.

Sure. It's a contingency plan. A last resort. In general it produces "strategic ambiguity" of their nuclear capability as a deterrent. The US and UK do the same thing.

Policy of deliberate ambiguity - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

You say that like I think the USA and the UK are the good guys too lol...

A nation that needs "Mutually Assured Destruction" isn't on the right side.

 

[dybmh]

Look closer; Al Jazeera is right there in the center, which is regarded as unbiased. But you've already decried them as Hamas so....

Ah, thank you. I didn't see it.

Regardless, Al Jahzeerah is Qatari owned. It's the state media in the same way that China has its own media, and Iran has its own media, and do not allow any others.

There are very strong ties between Qatar and Hamas. That's why they're "at the negotiating table" along with the US. Qatar is on Hamas' side. Is there something controversial about this? It's well known.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

The only person that seems to think they're controversial is you.

 

[dybmh]

You say that like I think the USA and the UK are the good guys too lol...

A nation that needs "Mutually Assured Destruction" isn't on the right side.

I say it to put it in perspective. Maintaining strategic ambiguity is smart. Many nations do it. I'll add the Samson option to your list of failed slogans:

They attack ALL the evacuation routes? FAIL
Open air prisons? FAIL
Colonizers? FAIL
Nazi comparison? FAIL
Samson Option? FAIL

What else ya got?

 

[dybmh]

The only person that seems to think they're controversial is you.

No, no. It's not controversial to acknowledge that Al-Jazeerah IS hamas. Their reporters are literally IN the brigades fighting. I'll see if I can find the article.