UN Human Rights compared to Islamic Human Rights

[icehorse]

The world needs to come together and agree on universal human rights. While all nations struggle to provide basic human rights for their people, when it comes to basic human rights, there is a clear division between the Muslim world and the rest of the world...

In 1948 the UN created the "Universal Declaration of Human Rights". Many nations signed this agreement, but many Muslim majority nations did not. Later, in 1990 the OIC, a multi-nation, Islamic organization created the "Cairo Declaration on Human Rights", to counter the UN's declaration. Among other things, the Cairo Declaration differed by saying:

- Human rights are subservient to Sharia
- women do not have equal rights to men
- apostasy is a crime
- blasphemy is a crime
- marrying people from certain other religions is a crime.

In summary, the International commission of Jurists declared that the Cairo Declaration codifies "an intolerable discrimination against non-Muslims and women".

The Cairo Declaration was not created by some fringe group of Muslims. This is a declaration carefully drafted by the OIC, an Islamic group with 57 member nations.

 

[Ultimatum]

The world needs to come together and agree on universal human rights. While all nations struggle to provide basic human rights for their people, when it comes to basic human rights, there is a clear division between the Muslim world and the rest of the world...

In 1948 the UN created the "Universal Declaration of Human Rights". Many nations signed this agreement, but many Muslim majority nations did not. Later, in 1990 the OIC, a multi-nation, Islamic organization created the "Cairo Declaration on Human Rights", to counter the UN's declaration. Among other things, the Cairo Declaration differed by saying:

- Human rights are subservient to Sharia
- women do not have equal rights to men
- apostasy is a crime
- blasphemy is a crime
- marrying people from certain other religions is a crime.

In summary, the International commission of Jurists declared that the Cairo Declaration codifies "an intolerable discrimination against non-Muslims and women".

The Cairo Declaration was not created by some fringe group of Muslims. This is a declaration carefully drafted by the OIC, an Islamic group with 57 member nations.

This is far from what would happen in reality.
A 'basic human right' is not what is needed, but it is the nation's job to decided what rights its' people have. Otherwise it's like getting everyone to call their dog "Max".
And I'm not saying that we should allow such primitive views as listed in the OP, because, in fact, we should eradicate them and discourage them. However, if a nation imposes such ludicrous "rights", then the person also has the freedom to move.

 

[LuisDantas]

Back in the 1970s I used to believe we were ready for universal rights statements. But whether because I learned better or due to actual change, I no longer think so.

There is no hope for such statements as long as significant segments of people in supposedly developed countries think so little of air bomb droppings or concealed carry is discussed as if it were a personal right or could ever become one.

Quite simply, very few people even want universal rights at all.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

The UN human rights are a statement of a minimum set of rights.
Additional rights are the prerogative of an individual nation. (like Arms carry)
However no nation has the right to reduce those basic UN rights.
Rights concerning war are already defined by the UN.
Not all nations have signed all the protocols.

Perhaps there will come a time when those nations, who have not signed the human rights directive, will be ostracised to the extent that trade and movement with them will be banned.

 

[Looncall]

The world needs to come together and agree on universal human rights. While all nations struggle to provide basic human rights for their people, when it comes to basic human rights, there is a clear division between the Muslim world and the rest of the world...

In 1948 the UN created the "Universal Declaration of Human Rights". Many nations signed this agreement, but many Muslim majority nations did not. Later, in 1990 the OIC, a multi-nation, Islamic organization created the "Cairo Declaration on Human Rights", to counter the UN's declara
tion. Among other things, the Cairo Declaration differed by saying:

- Human rights are subservient to Sharia
- women do not have equal rights to men
- apostasy is a crime
- blasphemy is a crime
- marrying people from certain other religions is a crime.

In summary, the International commission of Jurists declared that the Cairo Declaration codifies "an intolerable discrimination against non-Muslims and women".

The Cairo Declaration was not created by some fringe group of Muslims. This is a declaration carefully drafted by the OIC, an Islamic group with 57 member nations.

Do these authorities not realize that it is a bad idea to reinforce negative stereotypes about their religion? Are they intent on having their religion despised worldwide?

 

[YmirGF]

In summary, the International commission of Jurists declared that the Cairo Declaration codifies "an intolerable discrimination against non-Muslims and women".

The Cairo Declaration was not created by some fringe group of Muslims. This is a declaration carefully drafted by the OIC, an Islamic group with 57 member nations.

I find it deeply disturbing that a great many people do not appreciate the resistance to the UN created, "Universal Declaration of Human Rights" that the OIC sanctioned rubbish exposes. That there was not universal world-wide condemnation of the OIC's efforts, from the start, is very telling. Then again, this is a political body that has allowed OIC member countries to sit on the UN human rights committee.

 

[Yerda]

The world needs to come together and agree on universal human rights..

Agreed. Human rights are becoming less popular by the day it seems.

 

[Nakosis]

Pretty much doesn't matter what the UN declares if they can't enforce it.

It's generally not the nature of man to have that much respect for the rights of others.

It's nice to give lip service to by people who have no power trying to convince those that do have power, they should give it up.

It's easy for someone who has little to say share and share alike. Those who have much, power and control. Do you think they would really give it all up to people they don't know?

If I had all the money, power and property. If I could control governments and the mind of the masses, you think I'd trust some random stranger walking down the street to share in control of this? I don't think so.

 

[paarsurrey]

UN Human Rights compared to Islamic Human Rights


Please mention the UN Human Rights and compare them with the teachings of Islam/Quran/Muhammad, clause by clause and verse by verse from Quran.

Regards

 

[Woodrow LI]

Do these authorities not realize that it is a bad idea to reinforce negative stereotypes about their religion? Are they intent on having their religion despised worldwide?

There is no "Religious Authority" That speaks for all Muslims. We have no chief big Honcho we all have to katow to. All Muslims are equal and no Muslim has religious authority over another Muslim. The most any of us can do is to give our opinion and show reasons we believe it to be true. That is my opinion and I'm sticking to it. Astagfirullah

 

[LuisDantas]

no Muslim has religious authority over another Muslim.

I thought Sheiks and Imans did, in fact, have religious authority over other Muslims?

 

[paarsurrey]

I thought Sheiks and Imans did, in fact, have religious authority over other Muslims?

None of them have any authority over Quran.

Regards

 

[Willamena]

I find it deeply disturbing that a great many people do not appreciate the resistance to the UN created, "Universal Declaration of Human Rights" that the OIC sanctioned rubbish exposes. That there was not universal world-wide condemnation of the OIC's efforts, from the start, is very telling. Then again, this is a political body that has allowed OIC member countries to sit on the UN human rights committee.

Human rights demanded it.

 

[Willamena]

Agreed. Human rights are becoming less popular by the day it seems.

I disagree.

Elst you couldn't have gotten away with saying what you did.

 

[LuisDantas]

None of them have any authority over Quran.

Regards

What does that mean in practice, if anything?

It sure looks like Sheiks and Imans have religious authority over other Muslims. Am I misunderstanding their roles?

 

[LuisDantas]

I disagree.

Elst you couldn't have gotten away with saying what you did.

How did you reach such a conclusion?

 

[icehorse]

The Muslims on this thread are saying that no one has authority - but I bet the Muslims who run the OIC *think* they have some authority. Certainly as far as the rest of the world is concerned, the OIC appears to have authority.

 

[icehorse]

UN Human Rights compared to Islamic Human Rights

Please mention the UN Human Rights and compare them with the teachings of Islam/Quran/Muhammad, clause by clause and verse by verse from Quran.

Regards

Hi paarsurrey,

If I was interested in a theoretical discussion of how to interpret the Quran, your suggestion might be interesting. But the reality in the world today is that millions of Muslims are living under the authority of leaders who deny them the human rights listed in the OP. So your interpretation of the Quran might be just fine, but the leaders of the OIC think that the human rights listed in the OP are un-Islamic. (BTW, millions of non-Muslims are also denied basic human rights, but in this thread I thought it was useful to discuss a document drafted by the powerful OIC that is in conflict with the rest of the world.)

 

[Willamena]

How did you reach such a conclusion?

The attitude that makes human rights the villain increases its popularity.

 

[YmirGF]

Human rights demanded it.

I disagree. One small caveat is the Human Rights council should, necessarily, be comprised of nations that have very good Human Rights records. It's just silly to pollute the atmosphere with some of the members that have been installed over the last few years and who are currently on the Council.