UN Human Rights compared to Islamic Human Rights

[Father Heathen]

What is the purpose of all this Islam bashing, is it an attempt to justify the incessant bombing of Iraq by the U.S. military?

Because you can't be critical of one without being supportive of the other.

 

[YmirGF]

What is the purpose of all this Islam bashing, is it an attempt to justify the incessant bombing of Iraq by the U.S. military?

So we should just roll with the unreasonable demands of the OIC?

 

[steeltoes]

So we should just roll with the unreasonable demands of the OIC?

"The organisation states that it is "the collective voice of the Muslim world" and works to "safeguard and protect the interests of the Muslim world in the spirit of promoting international peace and harmony".[1]
The OIC has a permanent delegation to the United Nations. The official languages of the OIC are Arabic, English and French." wiki


"In June 2008, the OIC conducted a formal revision of its charter. The revised charter set out to promote human rights, fundamental freedoms, and good governance in all member states. The revisions also removed any mention of the Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam. Within the revised charter, the OIC has chosen to support the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and international law." wiki


Promoting international peace and harmony, that is so unreasonable, better to bomb the ef out of them.

I see what you mean by "unreasonable demands," obviously the U.S. will have none of it.

 

[steeltoes]

Because you can't be critical of one without being supportive of the other.

So I can't be critical of bombing Iraq because I will appear to be supportive of ISIS? Seriously?

 

[YmirGF]

Promoting international peace and harmony, that is so unreasonable, better to bomb the ef out of them.

SO, let me get this right. The OIC rewrites the widely accepted UN Human rights document and that is supposed to be promoting international peace and harmony? Seriously?

So I can't be critical of bombing Iraq because I will appear to be supportive of ISIS? Seriously?

I've been thinking of late that if the "western" powers stayed out of the Islamic State debacle in the middle east, the middle eastern countries themselves might just figure out that they have to do something about this problem.

 

[steeltoes]

SO, let me get this right. The OIC rewrites the widely accepted UN Human rights document and that is supposed to be promoting international peace and harmony? Seriously?

I've been thinking of late that if the "western" powers stayed out of the Islamic State debacle in the middle east, the middle eastern countries themselves might just figure out that they have to do something about this problem.

The western powers don't give an ef about human rights, they are in the middle east for the oil.

 

[steeltoes]

SO, let me get this right. The OIC rewrites the widely accepted UN Human rights document and that is supposed to be promoting international peace and harmony? Seriously?

The revisions [2008] also removed any mention of the Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam.

Within the revised charter, the OIC has chosen to support the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and international law. wiki

 

[columbus]

The western powers don't give an ef about human rights, they are in the middle east for the oil.

This is crucial to keep in mind.
Tom

 

[YmirGF]

The revisions [2008] also removed any mention of the Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam.

Within the revised charter, the OIC has chosen to support the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and international law. wiki

I've look high and low and I cannot find anywhere that the OIC has removed its support for the so-called "Cairo Declaration".

 

[LuisDantas]

You still fail to explain the correlation, so yeah, mindless non sequitur.

You do mean it, don't you?

It is really so obvious to me. Gun culture promotes arms races, which promotes mistrust and violence. It is a pretty straight line.

It does not help that the idea that gun ownership helps "defense" does not really have a way out. When citizens banalize gun ownership, criminality rises and gun access and control become worse problems and criminals make more of a point of having weaponry of their own and using it.

And that is before considering the impacts on economy, military and foreign relations. Oh, and drug traffic, much of which is related to the military industry in one way or another.

 

[icehorse]

What is the purpose of all this Islam bashing, is it an attempt to justify the incessant bombing of Iraq by the U.S. military?

Of the many problems in the world we could tackle, improving the implementation of human rights around the world seems like a valid topic.

 

[icehorse]

This is a religious education forum not a political one. When somebody mentions Islam and targets it then one should prove one's point of view viz a viz Quran. It is rational.

Regards

Islam claims to be a total solution to life. Islam is not just religion (as you well know). So what powerful Muslims *do* in the real world - in the name of Islam - must be considered to be a part of Islam. You don't get to choose the parts you like. The Cairo Declaration was made - in the name of Islam.

 

[Father Heathen]

So I can't be critical of bombing Iraq because I will appear to be supportive of ISIS? Seriously?

Wasn't that what you were saying, albeit vice versa? I was being sarcastic.

 

[icehorse]

"The organisation states that it is "the collective voice of the Muslim world" and works to "safeguard and protect the interests of the Muslim world in the spirit of promoting international peace and harmony".[1]
The OIC has a permanent delegation to the United Nations. The official languages of the OIC are Arabic, English and French." wiki

"In June 2008, the OIC conducted a formal revision of its charter. The revised charter set out to promote human rights, fundamental freedoms, and good governance in all member states. The revisions also removed any mention of the Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam. Within the revised charter, the OIC has chosen to support the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and international law." wiki

Promoting international peace and harmony, that is so unreasonable, better to bomb the ef out of them.

I see what you mean by "unreasonable demands," obviously the U.S. will have none of it.

Do Muslims agree that the OIC is "the collective voice of the Muslim world"? From what I've heard on this forum, It doesn't seem to me f that Muslims recognize any such authority.

Now I have to say that I hadn't heard that the OIC revised their charter - that's a ray of good news. But the evidence in the world since 2008 would indicate that embracing the UNDHR appears to be mostly lip service.

 

[LuisDantas]

Do Muslims agree that the OIC is "the collective voice of the Muslim world"? From what I've heard on this forum, It doesn't seem to me f that Muslims recognize any such authority.

Now I have to say that I hadn't heard that the OIC revised their charter - that's a ray of good news. But the evidence in the world since 2008 would indicate that embracing the UNDHR appears to be mostly lip service.

I don't know. In the last few days I have come to wonder whether the typical Muslim isn't actually confused when it comes to authority without even realizing it. It almost looks like most of them want to believe there is a central authority and end up seeking it, but feel a taboo of sorts at admiting to any authority that isn't God, the Quraan or at most the Prophet.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

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That religion and State
So you canapplyGod's lawshould beyoupower
And the strength of the army and without this authority cannot apply the grandparent of God in the Qur'an
Therefore, Muslims seek to access the platform in all countries
So that they can apply their religion and borders also
Here lies thedanger ofIslam
When they reach power, they impose maratz their beliefs by force
And then fade away and become the Messenger master minimum
What is important here
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And cancel your mind
And the verses of the Qur'an
As a parrot
Without considering
The human creature who runs with Islam and has no check

 

[Father Heathen]

It is really so obvious to me. Gun culture promotes arms races, which promotes mistrust and violence. It is a pretty straight line.

Before I ask how exactly gun culture promotes such things, I have to ask you to define this so-called "gun culture".
The following is something I've pointed out multiple times, but unfortunately people conveniently ignore (willful ignorance is an aborrent thing.)
I grew up in small, tight-nit communities where almost every household had at least one firearm, yet this crime, violence, and mistrust you speak of was nonexistant. I think personal experience and observation holds far more validity than your unsubstantiated presumptions based solely on filtered, biased media.

It does not help that the idea that gun ownership helps "defense" does not really have a way out. When citizens banalize gun ownership, criminality rises and gun access and control become worse problems and criminals make more of a point of having weaponry of their own and using it.

Another point that I've made before is that crime and violence is typically a symptom of psychological, sociological, and economic issues, which aren't magically caused by firearms. You try to ignore the complexities while fabricating a black and white bogeyman.

And that is before considering the impacts on economy, military and foreign relations. Oh, and drug traffic, much of which is related to the military industry in one way or another.

Which why we should legalize, tax, and regulate them.

 

[icehorse]

"In June 2008, the OIC conducted a formal revision of its charter. The revised charter set out to promote human rights, fundamental freedoms, and good governance in all member states. The revisions also removed any mention of the Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam. Within the revised charter, the OIC has chosen to support the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and international law." wiki

steeltoes, do you have a link that documents the OIC officially retiring the CDHRI? Lack of a mention is not the same as a formal statement of retirement. (BTW, I'd be happy to see such a statement from the OIC!) From what I can gather, this seems vaguely similar to Hamas, who in 2014 sometimes claim that they're not about destroying Israel, but who maintain their charter intact.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Islam claims to be a total solution to life. Islam is not just religion (as you well know). So what powerful Muslims *do* in the real world - in the name of Islam - must be considered to be a part of Islam. You don't get to choose the parts you like. The Cairo Declaration was made - in the name of Islam.

So, by your measure, are we to consider Catholics a lewd bunch of child molesters?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

steeltoes, do you have a link that documents the OIC officially retiring the CDHRI? Lack of a mention is not the same as a formal statement of retirement. (BTW, I'd be happy to see such a statement from the OIC!) From what I can gather, this seems vaguely similar to Hamas, who in 2014 sometimes claim that they're not about destroying Israel, but who maintain their charter intact.

Are you people blind? He's posted links at least twice! The OIC has even signed the UN declaration of LBGT rights, which I found very quickly following his links that ya'll can't see right in front of your faces.