Understanding Cosmology (Post 1)

[Ben Dhyan]

if only you could understand that we have a whole lot of concrete relations that specifically avoid imaginary possibilities.
You are free to posit ideas, but don't expect us to do anything but question them until you can create a formal logical construction.

I don't expect you to do anything, I never asked you. You apparently are an atheist, you can't help but be the expression of existence that you are, but naturally you will evolve further.

 

[ppp]

So fine, if you think the 95% dark to 5% physical atomic matter number is not what science is saying, please provide me with the numbers that you believe are correct?

C'mon @Ben Dhyan. Just stop. Please.

• First, ordinary matter is baryonic matter. Not "atomic matter". Atoms are a subset of baryonic matter.
• Second, both dark matter and baryonic matter are both physical
• Third, dark matter comprises 27% of the universe. Not 95%

 

[Ben Dhyan]

No, you are not even in the country in your understanding of physics.
Stop embarrassing yourself and theists in general.

There is nothing to understand, they are just the numbers the science provides in scientific articles on the subject. If these numbers in your opinion are not correct in your opinion, please just provide the number you think are correct.

 

[Pogo]

So fine, if you think the 95% dark to 5% physical atomic matter number is not what science is saying, please provide me with the numbers that you believe are correct?

It aint the numbers that are at issue here.

C'mon @Ben Dhyan. Just stop. Please.

• First, ordinary matter is baryonic matter. Not "atomic matter". Atoms are a subset of baryonic matter.
• Second, both dark matter and baryonic matter are both physical
• Third, dark matter comprises 27% of the universe. Not 95%

And fourth, it has nothing to do with being an atheist, Woo is woo to any rational person theist or not.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

C'mon @Ben Dhyan. Just stop. Please.

• First, ordinary matter is baryonic matter. Not "atomic matter". Atoms are a subset of baryonic matter.
• Second, both dark matter and baryonic matter are both physical
• Third, dark matter comprises 27% of the universe. Not 95%.

No one said that dark matter comprises 95% of the mass of the universe, dark energy and dark matter comprise the 95%.

I think we are getting close to your acknowledging that the numbers I provided are correct, yes?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

It aint the numbers that are at issue here.

And fourth, it has nothing to do with being an atheist, Woo is woo to any rational person theist or not.

So now it is not the numbers.

I guess that's it, you admit the numbers are correct, yes?

 

[ppp]

I think we are getting close to your acknowledging that the numbers I provided are correct, yes?

Do you understand that dark matter is physical?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Do you understand that dark matter is physical?

Stop changing the subject, just admit the numbers I provided are correct and we have closure.

 

[ppp]

Stop changing the subject, just admit the numbers I provided are correct and we have closure.

If you do not accept that dark matter is physical, then nothing else that you have to say about the subject matters. Science says that dark matter is physical. Do you accept that dark matter is physical?

 

[Pogo]

So now it is not the numbers.

I guess that's it, you admit the numbers are correct, yes?

The correctness of the numbers is not the issue, but carry on with your fantasies.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

If you do not accept that dark matter is physical, then nothing else that you have to say about the subject matters. Science says that dark matter is physical. Do you accept that dark matter is physical?

Dark matter is not of the 5% normal matter, that's all you need to understand, there is the 95% dark energy + dark matter and the 5% normal. Got it?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

The correctness of the numbers is not the issue, but carry on with your fantasies.

Integrity is admirable, admit the numbers I provided were correct and you have my respect, we have closure.

 

[ppp]

Dark matter is not of the 5% normal matter, that's all you need to understand, there is the 95% dark energy + dark matter and the 5% normal. Got it?

To quote a wise human, "The correctness of the numbers is not the issue, but carry on with your fantasies."

Got it?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

To quote a wise human, "The correctness of the numbers is not the issue, but carry on with your fantasies."

Got it?

Profound.

 

[ppp]

Profound.

No. Succinct.

 

[shunyadragon]

• "Can't see" is irrelevant. We cannot see microwaves or neutrinos or air. The universe is full of material things that we cannot see,
• "Can't detect" is false. We only know that dark matter is there because we have detected it through material means. We only know that dark energy is there because we have detected it through material means.
• "Can't comprehend" is a somewhat arrogant of you. Are you able to discuss the differences in our comprehension of either phenomenon over the last 25 years in any detail? How either phenomenon was discovered? What the existence of either has been confirmed?

You seem to think that dark matter and dark energy are "non-material". You also seem to think that scientists are not able to detect or study either. These are both very odd things for you to think.

If only you were also frank without tolerance for atheistic agendas involving religion.

I am indifferent to atheism. It is simply what some people believe. This unfortunately reveals your hostility and intolerance toward atheists.

Creation and destruction are an eternal process of Existence, science only deals with temporary things that have beginning s and endings, religion deals with the timeless Existence.

OK, this is what you believe, but incomplete. Science also considers our physical existence potentially infinite, and contemporary Physics considers our physical existence 'boundless. The difference is more that the limits of science is the physical nature of our existence and no more..

The physical nature of our physical existence is an expression of eternal Existence/God, the former (physical existence) is an effect, the latter (eternal Existence/God) is cause.

No, This is at best confusing. God is the Creator and exists beyond our physical existence,

Contemporary science does not know and cannot know the eternal Existence as it can't presently detect it.

Contemporary science does not claim to know God or the nature of our existence beyond what can objectively verified concerning our physical existence, ie cosmology, which is the subject of the thread. Your going off the rails and off topic,

 

[Ben Dhyan]

No. Succinct.

Now that is really profound.

 

[shunyadragon]

Dark matter is not of the 5% normal matter, that's all you need to understand, there is the 95% dark energy + dark matter and the 5% normal. Got it?

There is no such thing as "normal matter."

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I am indifferent to atheism. It is simply what some people believe. This unfortunately reveals your hostility and intolerance toward atheists.

OK, this is what you believe, but incomplete. Science also considers our physical existence potentially infinite, and contemporary Physics considers our physical existence 'boundless. The difference is more that the limits of science is the physical nature of our existence and no more..

No, This is at best confusing. God is the Creator and exists beyond our physical existence,


Contemporary science does not claim to know God or the nature of our existence beyond what can objectively verified concerning our physical existence, ie cosmology, which is the subject of the thread. Your going off the rails and off topic,

You are not reading my posts, I said I love atheists, that's not hostile, that they are in error is a factual observation, that is not hostile, that an atheist may find my observation hostile is their own hostility at work.

God is omnipresent, there is no beyond. God is the creator and also the destroyer, Existence itself never had a beginning, only material things have beginnings and endings.

Agreed, science is limited and cannot know God, but the thread is posted in the Science and Religion Forum so the topic of God does arise.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

There is no such thing as "normal matter."

You disappoint me that you did not understand what I was referring to, I will try to convey it again and hope you understand this time what the 5% matter refers to. Hint, it is not dark matter or dark energy.

Dark matter is not of the 5% matter of the human senses, that's all you need to understand, there is the 95% dark energy + dark matter and the 5% normal. Got it?