Understanding the holy scriptures is impossible unless God gives you the interpretation

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Well that is not true. I already posted the Oxford Dictionaries definition that atheism is the disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods. It seems you do not know what faith is.

DUDE! Dictionaries are DESCRIPTIVE, never PROSCRIPTIVE. They list COMMON useage.

There are more theists than atheists (at present-- that is rapidly changing).

YOUR DEFINITION WAS A FLAT LIE.

Why is it-- your ONLY "argument"..... is a LIE?

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Nope! The Oxford ditionary says that athiesm is a belief or lak of belief that there is a God or Gods
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So what? Dictionaries DESCRIBE USE. They NEVER DICTATE USE. Sheesh-- it's like talking to an illiterate, 2 year old, here.

We have to have faith to believe or not believe that there is a God or that there is no God either way you have to have faith as you have no evidence..

Citation needed: Zero evidence, again, for the claim made.

I have not dodged anything. I am only throwing your same arguments back to you. You have to have faith there is no God because you cannot prove there is no God.
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False-- you continue to dodge presenting EVIDENCE FOR YOUR UGLY GOD-- I must assume it's ugly, and happy with LIES instead of FACT.

Yet here you are not able to prove God is not real. If you have no evidence that God is not real does it not worry you that maybe you are wrong?.

Citation needed: Dodging the REQUIRED PROOF OF GOD-CLAIM.

Indeed. You will never find God that way. The wisdom of men is foolishness with God as it is written the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but to us which are saved it is the power of God.

So. YOU FREELY ADMIT YOUR GOD WITH MALICE AND DECEIT REFUSES TO PERMIT ACTUAL EVIDENCE?

Gotcha; either your god does not exist? OR IT IS MALICIOUSLY EVIL.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

A fad, a sign of the very wayward times, in the future it will be seen an embarrassment, that did not last..

False. The rise of atheism among the younger set, all over the planet? Puts lie to your claim, quite effectively.

In the last 3 generations the number of 'none' or 'atheist' has risen dramatically. So much so? Church buildings -- some 300+ years old-- are being sold off, reclaimed for something USEFUL, like bars or coffee shops. All over the planet.

In my town alone? I can point to at least a DOZEN abandoned church properties-- many of which have become nests of crack manufacture... ironic, right? Go from a mental addiction to a physical one....

Wheras, Faith built upon One God will build a unity that will be strong, long lasting and prosperous for all humanity..

Citation Needed: Claim made without even one single example of support.

How was that, was that as good as you like to give? One has to play with an 'Atheist' from time to time, after all they are a dying breed..

False. Atheist is the fastest growing category in the world.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Ok off you go show me the evidence that there is no God

Citation Needed: Zero evidence for god-claims. STILL.

We have DODGING THE QUESTION, SHIFTING THE BURDEN OF PROOF and outright lying.

Typical.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

No entomology has never been my hobby. Some people believe in God and some people do not believe that there is a God. Evidence swings each way to prove a belief. Do you have evidence that there is no God? If you do not than you only believe what you do by faith.

I do not need evidence for a NULL CLAIM. Until (if ever) you show there IS/ARE gods?

Gods remain in the realm of MYTH.

I AM BEGINNING TO SEE YOU ARE MERELY A TROLL. And will be reported as such.

 

[BilliardsBall]

This skeptic doesn't see hellfire in that particular verse. What he does see, however, is an assumption (for which no evidence has ever been provided) that the "natural man" (presumably, the one who uses his senses and his brain to discern things) misses out because he's not using that other thing -- his "spirit." Now, since this "spirit" is not senses and mind, I'd like to have some explanation of how -- after this "spirit" discerns things -- it places them in the mind whereupon they are available for the believer to understand.

The scriptures say, "He will take vengeance in flaming fire on all those who disbelieve the saving gospel of Jesus", but you are saying that isn't Hell? Are you an annihilationist in doctrine instead?

 

[Audie]

I do not need evidence for a NULL CLAIM. Until (if ever) you show there IS/ARE gods?

Gods remain in the realm of MYTH.

I AM BEGINNING TO SEE YOU ARE MERELY A TROLL. And will be reported as such.

Ya think that the "play with" bit might be a clue?
It sure is a clue not to play his game.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Ok off you go show me the evidence that there is no God

Right after you show the evidence that there is no Flying Spaghetti Monster.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

No entomology has never been my hobby.

Then it logically follows that not believing isn't a belief.

Evidence swings each way to prove a belief.

Yes. Which is why evidence must be weighed against and considered in relation to all the evidence. Sure, you can't disprove god, but god has not been proven but, and however, science and knowledge have certainly changed what we believe about god, moving him further and further as our previous notions are demonstrated false (such as no heaven in the sky or hell in the earth).

If you do not than you only believe what you do by faith.[/Quoted]
Maybe of you really want to get technical. Such as, I can say there is a serial killer stalking you right now. It would be a reasonable conclusion that is false, and rightfully you could say "prove it" amd safely dismiss the claim. Then I say you can't prove this killer is there. Which, yes, you can't technically prove it's not there necause you can't disprove a negative. Thus you know there is no one stalking you to kill you and you dont have to take ot on faith.

 

[Subduction Zone]

A fad, a sign of the very wayward times, in the future it will be seen an embarrassment, that did not last.

Wheras, Faith built upon One God will build a unity that will be strong, long lasting and prosperous for all humanity.

How was that, was that as good as you like to give? One has to play with an 'Atheist' from time to time, after all they are a dying breed.


P/S I will reply no more, I have had my one second of fun, that will last a lifetime.

I do wish you all the best, regards Tony

Why would rational thought be a fad?

Remember, those that live in glass houses . . .

 

[Samael_Khan]

Basically correct. No one knows except God.
1 John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

You may know when you have the right interpretation because God gave it to you.

John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

So then there is no objective way to know whose interpretation of scripture is truth?

And if "You may know when you have the right interpretation because God gave it to you." how could you trust that that interpretation is from God?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Ok so you believe that there is no God and you have no evidence that there is no God. How is that rational?

I lack a belief in a god since there is no reliable evidence for a god. You probably recognize this fact which is why you have to use such poor reasoning.

Your not withholding your belief. You believe that there is no God and you have no evidence for your belief which means your faith is that you believe there is no God.

Really? You do not have a clue. You cannot say what others believe. I could claim that since you claim to be a Christian I could use the same poor logic and claim that you believe in all magical creatures.

Someone can say that there is 56 gumballs in a gumball machine without evidence then is it faith just the same as someone that does not believe there is 56 gumballs in the machine who does not have evidence that there is not 56 gumballs. Faith is something you have when you do not have evidence.

Right, faith is what one uses when he has no evidence. It is not a pathway to the truth. Hey! We may be getting somewhere.

You have not pointed anything out as you have no evidence for your faith which is you do not believe that there is a God.

But I have no faith. How can I show evidence for something that does not exist? Faith is your weakness not mine. And I would suggest that you stop making claims about what others believe. That is a big no no here.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You sure you want to make this claim?

By that, you are irrational for refusing to believe
in unicorns and mermaids.

How do you think that I get to work every day?

 

[Subduction Zone]

DUDE! Dictionaries are DESCRIPTIVE, never PROSCRIPTIVE. They list COMMON useage.

There are more theists than atheists (at present-- that is rapidly changing).

YOUR DEFINITION WAS A FLAT LIE.

Why is it-- your ONLY "argument"..... is a LIE?

Not only that, his dictionary definition refutes his own claim. He does not understand the poor argument that he is using.

 

[deci belle]

The OP's premise is correct and true, but such god-given interpretation is in no way literal or based on the person's psychological apparatus. Access to reality is not words. The words are real, but the literal context isn't— that's why the acceptable, and most powerfully self-transforming interpretation cannot be derived of the psychological identity of the being that is going to die.

This should be an eye-openner for literalists, recreational philosophers and pedants whose mistaken approach based on psychological interpretation can only wind up at an impasse.

One has to wonder. Without settling for thought-based conclusions relative to words and culturally biased emphasis, true wonder based on a selfless open sincerity truly beckons the source of religion to instill insightful accord with the basis of the word construed by those who were likewise ignited by the light of the spirit of nonpsychological receptivity.

At any rate, it isn't the person who understands. Knowledge is an immediate inconceivability. The words are a device. If we get lost in them, in the right way, based on nonpsychological open sincerity, the spirit eventually alights.

One ought never rely on one's own power. Though reality is inherent, its reception is a gift.

 

[3rdAngel]

You sure you want to make this claim?
By that, you are irrational for refusing to believe in unicorns and mermaids.

I have never made claims that there are unicorns and mermaids. Your argument is a logical fallacy. If you do not have evidence there is no God and you do not believe God exists, then your claims are not based on fact and are likewise irrational because you do not know there is no God and yet that is something you choose to believe. There are many things that cannot be explained and yet here we are believing them. That does not men because you do not have "sufficient" evidence that something is not true.

 

[3rdAngel]

3rdAngel said: ↑ Nonsense! You believe there is no God yet you have no evidence that there is no God so you have to have faith there is no God..

Your response...

Please quit insulting me and calling me ugly names: here you literally call me a liar.

Nonsense! I have said no such things

Worse-- you appear to have Magical Telepathy, in that you think YOU KNOW what I believe or do not believe! That's INCREDIBLE! Why don't you take your TELEPATHY on the ROAD and make MILLIONS? No? You do not have telepathy? You do NOT KNOW what I do or do not believe after all?

I seeee

Yeah... I have no faith either way-- I wait for God to Speak. I expect God to Speak GODLY-- and never need to use insults like YOU.

Sure you do. Your faith is that there is no God because you cannot prove there is no God. This is the religion of athiesm.

Thanks! You confirm my observation that YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE OF ANY SORT: OR INSTEAD OF INSULTING, YOU WOULD USE EVIDENCE, INSTEAD.

Thankyou for confirming mine that you have no evidence that there is no God. I guess you have your faith and I have mine

False: Do babies have faith? Of course not! Do kittens or puppies have faith? OF COURSE NOT. THE DEFAULT IS NOT HAVING FAITH UNTIL SOMEONE STARTS TELLING LIES.

Not really. If you do not believe in a God that is what you believe. That is your faith not mine as you have no evidence for what you believe.

3rdAngel said: ↑ If you believe there is no God and you do not have evidence for your belief then you have to have faith that there is no God as you do not have evidence for your belief you have to have faith there is no God. .

Your response...

The above is puerile NONSENSE. You may well have said, "Goo! Gaha! Goo-goo---GAHH... gek? GOOO! "

You can't have it both ways. You claim that faith is a belief not based on evidence. Yet you believe there is no God for which you have no evidence? You reply here is simply a distraction because you know what I am saying is true.

YOU. YOU ARE 100% CERTAIN EVIDENCE. No god worthy of the name would suffer YOU to represent it's interests. The bible is quite clear: It's god quickly murders any and all who DARE to speak for it, without permission. You are still here.... obviously. Therefore? Your god isn't. Game. Set. Match

ZZz hmm seems more claims that unsupported by evidence. Aren't you the funny one

 

[3rdAngel]

DUDE! Dictionaries are DESCRIPTIVE, never PROSCRIPTIVE. They list COMMON useage.

There are more theists than atheists (at present-- that is rapidly changing).

YOUR DEFINITION WAS A FLAT LIE.

Why is it-- your ONLY "argument"..... is a LIE?

I have only told you the truth but you do not believe it. I guess you have your faith and I have mine. If you do not like the definition of the Oxford Dictionary of atheism perhaps you can take it up with the Oxford Dictionary and the many others that use the same definition. I did not write it.

 

[3rdAngel]

So what? Dictionaries DESCRIBE USE. They NEVER DICTATE USE. Sheesh-- it's like talking to an illiterate, 2 year old, here.
Citation needed: Zero evidence, again, for the claim made.
False-- you continue to dodge presenting EVIDENCE FOR YOUR UGLY GOD-- I must assume it's ugly, and happy with LIES instead of FACT.
Citation needed: Dodging the REQUIRED PROOF OF GOD-CLAIM.
So. YOU FREELY ADMIT YOUR GOD WITH MALICE AND DECEIT REFUSES TO PERMIT ACTUAL EVIDENCE?
Gotcha; either your god does not exist? OR IT IS MALICIOUSLY EVIL.

Sorry did you say something. No need to be upset Bob

 

[3rdAngel]

3rdAngel said: ↑ Ok off you go show me the evidence that there is no God

Your response..

Citation Needed: Zero evidence for god-claims. STILL. We have DODGING THE QUESTION, SHIFTING THE BURDEN OF PROOF and outright lying.
Typical.

Sooo this responds to what you are quoting from how ? You have no evidence for your faith now do you Bob.