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What about e-verify?
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United States Immigration Statistics
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What about e-verify?
The question was "What does immigration mean in that context?"
I don't believe that 13 million Asians moved here permanently in 2014. I can believe that many Asians immigrated here temporarily, tourists and visitors and such. And I'm sure that a fair number came here and overstayed visas.
But the implications of the statistics don't make any sense, and I'm quite confident that it's fake news. The sort that Trump is famous for.
Tom
According to the Department of Homeland Security the top countries of birth for illegal immigrants and their percentage of illegal immigration are Mexico(55%), El Salvador(6%), and Guatemala(5%). Combined these three countries account for two thirds of all illegal immigrants.
Source: https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/18_1214_PLCY_pops-est-report.pdf
Also, AFAIK, President Trump has consistently held the position that all illegal immigration is unacceptable regardless from whichever country the illegal immigrants come.
Source: https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/18_1214_PLCY_pops-est-report.pdf
Also, AFAIK, President Trump has consistently held the position that all illegal immigration is unacceptable regardless from whichever country the illegal immigrants come.
What about it?
If an employer doesn't use it effectively, will they get as much Federal smack down as a Mexican trying to get a job? The Executive Board of Manpower, Inc. seems quite immune to US immigration law.
Tom
Because the vast majority coming in from South and Central America are crossing the border illegally.
No problems at all if they come through recognized port of entry and apply for citizenship/asylum.
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I understand the problem with illegals. President Obama spoke of that also but Trump said asylum seekers, legal immigrants. He has an illegal viewpoint in reference to legal American immigration. There are immigration laws in the U.S.
Has President Trump put as much resources into prosecuting the people who give away US jobs?
That's the main problem, right?
Tom
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Generally, immigrants don't steal American jobs. They do jobs Americans won't. They do the dirty, hard, low paying jobs most Americans will not do. Stealing American jobs is a lie.
And that's because US employers will give them jobs.
Prosecute the illegal employers and most of the illegal immigration problem will go away.
Tom
Americans won't do them for the wages that illegal workers will.
That's not the same as American workers won't do them.
American employers won't pay enough to get legal employees. That's not the same thing.
Tom
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Yes, problems if they come through recognized port of entry and apply for citizenship/asylum.
Again, Trump on Asylum Seekers: ‘It’s a Scam, It’s a Hoax’
"Trump on Asylum Seekers: ‘It’s a Scam, It’s a Hoax’"
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I can see that. I am speaking of legal immigration. Illegal should be stopped.
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I'll give you that. American employer greed in some cases. That happens a lot in the U.S. But there are also poor farmers barely getting by who can't afford to pay higher wages. To bad for our farmers.
Well, he is trying to get at the “Squad”. Doesn’t that count?
He is right though. If they don't come through a recognized port of entry they are not actually asylum seekers. They are trying to scam us.
If the price of produce went up to the free market price, they would do a lot better.
Their problem is that they are competing on a black market. Other produce growers, who are willing to hire cheap illegal labor, can undercut the honest folks. That puts honest folks out of business.
That's capitalism. The ruthless win and the nice guys lose.
It's why I don't see Christian ethics and Capitalism as remotely compatible. They're mutually exclusive.
Tom
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I'll give you that one.
Trump’s Crackdown on Illegal Immigration: 11 Employers Prosecuted in the Past Year
"Both the Obama and Bush administrations unveiled efforts to target employers as they goaded Congress to fix the broken immigration system. Yet prosecutions have rarely exceeded 15 in a single year, according to TRAC."
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No, again, I am talking about people entering legally. He wants that stopped. He is in the wrong.
I don't know what that means.Well, he is trying to get at the “Squad”. Doesn’t that count?
He's a billionaire member of the investing class and he consistently consistently advocates for their interests.
Oh, he'll lie for public consumption. That's how you keep power. But it's not the same as telling the truth.
Tom
It's not just the last couple of presidential administrations
Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump,
nobody is willing to take on the real problem.
This leads me to believe that it isn't about the political leadership. It's about the people who really run this country.
Unelected, barely known, super rich, people who tell the government what to do. Those are the people who benefit from the current immigration schizophrenic policy.
Flat wages, high consumption, serf level workforce with no legal rights....
That's why the government won't do anything effective and comprehensive and humane about the problem. Doing so wouldn't suit the very wealthy.
Tom