United States Immigration Statistics

[Enoch07]

No, again, I am talking about people entering legally. He wants that stopped. He is in the wrong.

What's your source on that?

Because nobody wants to end immigration.

Just illegal immigration.

 

[Kenny]

What about the legal asylum seekers Trump called scams and hoaxes? I repeat LEGAL. He is going against our Constitution. As a born American, I resent that. No, I'm not going back to some other country and yes, I have freedom of speech. So, I can say that. I can say as much as I would like. That doesn't mean that I hate my country. That means that I want my country to be better. That is completely patriotic.

Scams and hoaxes are simply those who say "they are persecuted" when in reality that they aren't. They may have legally applied but would be denied because within their application they have lied in "why" they are seeking asylum.

 

[Neutral Name]

The question was "What does immigration mean in that context?"

I don't believe that 13 million Asians moved here permanently in 2014. I can believe that many Asians immigrated here temporarily, tourists and visitors and such. And I'm sure that a fair number came here and overstayed visas.

But the implications of the statistics don't make any sense, and I'm quite confident that it's fake news. The sort that Trump is famous for.
Tom

You are absolutely correct. I thought that the site I used was reputable, MigrationPolicy.org. Apparently not. Although, there could be a difference between lawful resident aliens and other statuses. I'm not researching it. I have already spent too much time on this.

Here are the figures from the Department of Homeland Security for the year 2015. I put them into a spreadsheet and arranged them by highest to lowest number of people per area.

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/lpr_population_estimates_january_2015.pdf

Lawful Permanent Resident Population by Country of Birth: 2015
All LPRs LPRs eligible to naturalize
Country of birth Number Percent Number Percent

Other Countries 4,040,000 30.52 480,000 27.5

Mexico 3,260,000 24.6 2,700,000 29.9
El Salvador 320,000 2.4 250,000 2.7
Guatemala 180,000 1.4 130,000 1.4
Central America Total 3,760,000 28.4 3,080,000 34

China, People's Republic 710,000 5.3 350,000 3.9
Philippines 580,000 4.4 350,000 3.9
Korea, South 290,000 2.2 190,000 2.1
India 580,000 4.4 270,000 2.9
Vietnam 340,000 2.5 210,000 2.3
Japan 140,000 1.1 120,000 1.4
Pakistan 140,000 1.1 70,000 0.8
Asia Total 2,780,000 21 1,560,000 17.3

Dominican Republic 490,000 3.7 310,000 3.4
Cuba 430,000 3.3 310,000 3.4
Haiti 240,000 1.8 160,000 1.7
Jamaica 240,000 1.8 160,000 1.8
The Caribbean Total 1,400,000 10.6 940,000 10.3

United Kingdom 280,000 2.1 230,000 2.5
Germany 170,000 1.3 150,000 1.7
Poland 130,000 1.0 100,000 1.2
Europe Total 580,000 4.4 480,000 5.4

Canada 320,000 2.4 260,000 2.9
North America Total 320,000 2.4 260,000 2.9

Colombia 220,000 1.7 140,000 1.6
South America Total 220,000 1.7 140,000 1.6

Total 13,250,000 100.0 9,030,000 100.0

 

[Neutral Name]

What's your source on that?

Because nobody wants to end immigration.

Just illegal immigration.

Thank you but I think some people do want to end legal immigration and, to me, the United States is a country founded on immigration.

 

[Neutral Name]

Scams and hoaxes are simply those who say "they are persecuted" when in reality that they aren't. They may have legally applied but would be denied because within their application they have lied in "why" they are seeking asylum.

I think that the INS checks them out.

 

[Neutral Name]

It's not just the last couple of presidential administrations

Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump,
nobody is willing to take on the real problem.
This leads me to believe that it isn't about the political leadership. It's about the people who really run this country.
Unelected, barely known, super rich, people who tell the government what to do. Those are the people who benefit from the current immigration schizophrenic policy.
Flat wages, high consumption, serf level workforce with no legal rights....

That's why the government won't do anything effective and comprehensive and humane about the problem. Doing so wouldn't suit the very wealthy.
Tom

Wow! I'm a liberal who just fell in love with a conservative.

 

[Neutral Name]

There would be differences in how they immigrate.
This could be significant. Are some groups immigrating
legally while others aren't? The posted statistics don't
address this.
What appears to concern him is the porous southern
border, which is not limited to central Americans.

My new post gives statistics for legal immigrants.

 

[Neutral Name]

I agree with you in terms of immigrants. However the contention arose over illegals literally jumping the border.

Then he should state illegals. He is a grown man not to mention the person running our country.

 

[Neutral Name]

If the price of produce went up to the free market price, they would do a lot better.

Their problem is that they are competing on a black market. Other produce growers, who are willing to hire cheap illegal labor, can undercut the honest folks. That puts honest folks out of business.

That's capitalism. The ruthless win and the nice guys lose.
It's why I don't see Christian ethics and Capitalism as remotely compatible. They're mutually exclusive.
Tom

I absolutely agree with you. I don't understand conservative Christians. They are the opposite of what Jesus said.

 

[Kenny]

Ex

I think that the INS checks them out.

Exactly. They determine whether it is true (since many people lie on applications) or not.

 

[shmogie]

12,750,000 Asian in 2014
Asian Immigrants in the United States

4,785,000 Europen in 2016
European Immigrants in the United States

1,020,000 Africans in 2009
African Immigrants in the United States

By the end of 2019, there are expected to be 539,500 people displaced from Central America.
Central America Refugee Crisis: Aid, Statistics and News | USA for UNHCR

"Immigrants from South America remain a small share of the U.S. foreign-born population, but with a noticeable uptick in arrivals in recent years from deeply troubled Venezuela. The number of Venezuelan immigrants in the United States rose from 216,000 in 2014 to 351,000 in 2017, with a growth of 61,000 in one year alone, from 2016 to 2017.Still, the United States is not the primary destination for Venezuelans leaving an increasingly failing state, with most of the members of Latin America’s largest exodus (at least 2 million people since 2015) fleeing to locations elsewhere in the region, in particular Colombia, Peru, Ecuador, Chile, and Argentina."
South American Immigrants in the United States

South American Immigrants in the United States
In 2015, approximately 3.4 million Central Americans resided in the United States, representing 8 percent of the 43.3 million U.S. immigrants. Eighty-five percent of Central Americans in the United States were from the Northern Triangle, formed by El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras.

So, why is the POTUS so upset over Central American immigrants? Why not Europeans or Asians? Why don't we have room for Central Americans but we do for people from other places? Does he forget that we have airplanes flying people in from other places? Why do we have room for other people but our country is too full for Central Americans? What is that?

Asians and Europeans come here legally for the most part. They are usually educated and can support themselves. They contribute to society.

Central Americans on the other hand are usually poorly educated, have no marketable skills except at the lowest rung in the workforce.

So, they become net absorbers of tax money set aside to help American citizens.

If they work, as most do that work, it is in the lowest paying jobs, they pay no income taxes. Few own homes, so they don´t pay property taxes which pays for the education their children are receiving. Virtually all take benefits in some form,or multiple forms, food stamps, housing allowances, welfare, medical, etc.

I suggest you look at some studies regarding which immigrants cost the most when they arrive.

It is purely an economic issue, Central Americans cannot support themselves properly in America. Thus America, in the form of taxpayers spends billions every year in supporting them.

I suggest you look at studies regarding the relative employment status of immigrant Europeans, Asians, and Central Americans.

 

[shmogie]

I absolutely agree with you. I don't understand conservative Christians. They are the opposite of what Jesus said.

Really ? Did Jesus say that the government has the obligation to support citizens of another country that thrust themselves upon that country ?

Funny, I never came across those words in the Bible, and I have read it many times. I do know that He never said that Rome should do this.

He did say that INDIVIDUALS should assist and aid the poor.

Itś amusing that some state the government is secular, when it suits their purposes, yet it should follow Christs words, when it suits their purposes.

I suggest that all of you who feel strongly that Americans should support Central Americans, should gather all together and send checks down there .

For the tiny percentage that actually are granted asylum, maybe you could take them into your homes.

Certainly you would be going a long way in following Christs commands, to you, as an individuals.

The millions of illegals with their hands out ? Do what you can.

 

[Neutral Name]

Asians and Europeans come here legally for the most part. They are usually educated and can support themselves. They contribute to society.

Central Americans on the other hand are usually poorly educated, have no marketable skills except at the lowest rung in the workforce.

So, they become net absorbers of tax money set aside to help American citizens.

If they work, as most do that work, it is in the lowest paying jobs, they pay no income taxes. Few own homes, so they don´t pay property taxes which pays for the education their children are receiving. Virtually all take benefits in some form,or multiple forms, food stamps, housing allowances, welfare, medical, etc.

I suggest you look at some studies regarding which immigrants cost the most when they arrive.

It is purely an economic issue, Central Americans cannot support themselves properly in America. Thus America, in the form of taxpayers spends billions every year in supporting them.

I suggest you look at studies regarding the relative employment status of immigrant Europeans, Asians, and Central Americans.

Actually, I have friends from Central America, Asia, Europe and other places. When people come here from other countries some are well educated but their degrees are not recognized by the United States unless they are specifically brought here by employers seeking their skills and education.

Also, "Are legal immigrants eligible for federal public benefit programs?
Only those with lawful permanent resident (LPR) status, but not until they have resided as a legal resident for five years."

Illegal immigrants are not entitled to any social services benefits.

https://immigrationforum.org/article/fact-sheet-immigrants-and-public-benefits/

Where do people get all this bogus stuff? It must be fake news.

 

[Enoch07]

Thank you but I think some people do want to end legal immigration and, to me, the United States is a country founded on immigration.

It's a baseless accusation.

Nobody wants to end immigration totally. You can't find anywhere where this is stated by Trump.

It is only Illegal immigration - Wikipedia we wish to slow down/stop.

I think you and many others are confused and have been tricked into thinking that all immigration is legal. This is simply not true.

 

[shmogie]

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That sounds rather histrionic.
But if you care to substantiate, I'm listening....actually reading, but you know....popular phrasing.

The statement is utter nonsense. The numbers of legal immigrants that can be accepted was recently raised, and is scheduled to be raised again next year.

 

[shmogie]

Actually, I have friends from Central America, Asia, Europe and other places. When people come here from other countries some are well educated but their degrees are not recognized by the United States unless they are specifically brought here by employers seeking their skills and education.

Also, "Are legal immigrants eligible for federal public benefit programs?
Only those with lawful permanent resident (LPR) status, but not until they have resided as a legal resident for five years."

Illegal immigrants are not entitled to any social services benefits.

https://immigrationforum.org/article/fact-sheet-immigrants-and-public-benefits/

Where do people get all this bogus stuff? It must be fake news.

Do you know that most local, county, and state agencies never ask the immigration status of those seeking assistance ? In sanctuary cities and states, you can be fired for doing so ?

Do you know that the primary dispensers of social benefits are states and countyś, your law regarding federal social benefits is pretty irrelevant.

Anyone with a degree are much.,much more likely to get a decent job, even if not in their field, than someone with a fourth grade education.

Where do people get the idea that aliens from Central America do not cost the taxpayer money to help support them ?

They probably don´t live in rural Arizona, like someone I know and trust, he sees it every day in various forms.

 

[Revoltingest]

It's not just the last couple of presidential administrations

Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump,
nobody is willing to take on the real problem.
This leads me to believe that it isn't about the political leadership. It's about the people who really run this country.
Unelected, barely known, super rich, people who tell the government what to do. Those are the people who benefit from the current immigration schizophrenic policy.
Flat wages, high consumption, serf level workforce with no legal rights....

That's why the government won't do anything effective and comprehensive and humane about the problem. Doing so wouldn't suit the very wealthy.
Tom

Conspiracies are always so much more appealing than alternatives,
eg, political gridlock, seeing illegals as adding to a party's political
power, voter divisions about potential solutions which make no
particular solution compelling.
Remember...our census won't distinguish between citizens, legal
aliens, & illegal aliens. But even if it did, they all will determine
congressional representation levels. Even without the vote,
they still have voting power.

It all reminds me of an analogous argument. Some say that cars
get crappy fuel economy because the Big Oil Cabal keeps the
water burning engine off the market.
But there are better theories, ones which are actually testable....
Does my SUV have a 400 cu inch engine?
Could I buy something more fuel efficient?
Lo!
Discover that consumers really want a Canyonero
more than an hybrid electric car.