Jimmy
King Phenomenon
This is weird.
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universal salvation makes no sense without reincarnation
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Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
You can believe whatever you like, but you are mistaken.
Jimmy
King Phenomenon
You may as well.
Starlight
Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
Most of evil on this planet earth is because of humans. God gave humans free will. starvation could stop tomorrow if all humans cooperated.
I believe God gave us free will because God is loving. God do not want someone to be forced to love him.
I also believe this life is also a test. Like a school for the soul. To learn lessions. and to know what goodness is, the opposite must exist. to know what is hot, you have to know how cold it is. this worrld is full of contradictions. if the world was only goodness then this life would not be a test and our soul would not learn so much
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Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
I read the Bible cover to cover numerous times during the thirty years I was a Christian, and I extensively studied the Bible and Christian theology for nearly five years to assist my nephew in obtaining his Master of Theological Studies degree. I also completed extensive training in an evangelistic ministry, which included even more thorough study of the Bible and Christian theology, in order to lead an evangelism team and street preach across the country.
Jimmy
King Phenomenon
I still think you ended up having warped what it’s meant for. It’s suppose to be a book of comfort. Nothing more. Meant to be kept simple and read at face value.
Yes. Treat it as a variation of Æsop's fables.
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
I treat the Bible that way now. I think that whatever it says should be taken with a grain of salt.
Jimmy
King Phenomenon
Most people I know know that it’s just a book
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
What comfort should someone get from reading the barbaric stories in the Old Testament about God killing people with impunity or commanding his chosen people to kill people (men, women, children, and infants) of other nations with impunity? Do you consider it comforting to read "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" (Exodus 22:18) or how about "Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks" (Psalm 137:9)?
I haven't thought about it thoroughly, but your argument seems persuasive. If justice is guaranteed, hell is temporary, immortality guaranteed and there is no reincarnation then you have a point. Justice means you must be punished for doing cruel things, so there is a paradox if nobody is properly punished.
For example: I eat chicken that is raised on a cruel little chicken farm, but I am never required to become a chicken myself to suffer in the way that the chickens I have eaten were made to suffer. Where is the justice? I, the human, gain pleasure from that chicken's suffering.
Another example: an alligator grabs me, a human, drags me under and rolls me until I drown so that it can eat me; but that alligator is never forced to become a human and get eaten by an alligator. Where is the justice in that?
Jimmy
King Phenomenon
Like I said you take it to seriously and besides there’s a New Testament now with Jesus
Alien826
No religious beliefs
If you are drowning, and someone pulls you out of the water, it would be correct to say you are saved from the water. But if the person that pulls you out is also the one that pushed you in? And if that person also made up the rules that dictate who gets pushed in and who gets pulled out?
I would say that "god" saves us from himself.
How do you explain the suffering of innocents, like sick children, or the suffering not related to human activity, like sick animals?
How do you explain Those episodes where God directly commanded slaughter and cruelty?
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cataway
Well-Known Member
reincarnation? dont you mean resurrection?
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
Or in my case, I saved myself from the biblical God when I finally found the courage and inner strength to renounce my Christian faith and belief in God. It took me a long time to reach that breaking point, but I did, and I can honestly say that it was the best decision I have ever made for my mental health and emotional well-being. My only regret is that I did not do it sooner, as I could have spared myself years of depression, anxiety, and emotional turmoil.
Brian2
Veteran Member
It looks like you may have posted in the wrong DIR for a discussion on the points you make.
Why is salvation necessary?
Treasure Hunter
Well-Known Member
They may think that before going through (temporary) hell, but they won’t hold that opinion on the other side.
Treasure Hunter
Well-Known Member
It’s the first one. He has the potential to be all powerful but is currently being overpowered by the enemy, which is why he sends the best part of himself, his son, into the world in order to find a way to do his will.