Universe a big brain

[Native]

I understand, it is an illusion, the universe has no brain, heart and or mind. It obeys the orders of its Creator. G-d controls it and the angels serve Him in this connection, as I envision. Right, please?

It doesn´t matter if you take the Universe to be created by a "LORD" or by scientific forces. The Universe IS there no matter what, and it´s creative forces works all over the places, both inside and outside human beings. In this sense both humans and the Universe has a conscious brain.

 

[paarsurrey]

It is not literal.

Please elaborate for me.
Regards

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Most people have probably considered the possibility that the universe is conscious at some time or another, and that our consciousness, as a part expression of the universe, is created in some image of it. Indeed the whole idea of stilling the thinking mind as in zen meditation, is to allow the greater underlying universal consciousness to enter one's awareness. Roger Penrose and Stuart Hameroff have worked on a model that may help to understand the process (https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsta.1998.0254.), but in any event, mystics from all cultures report on the existence of some form of expanded cosmic consciousness exists in the deep meditative state.

 

[paarsurrey]

It doesn´t matter if you take the Universe to be created by a "LORD" or by scientific forces. The Universe IS there no matter what, and it´s creative forces works all over the places, both inside and outside human beings. In this sense both humans and the Universe has a conscious brain.

Had this been true, it would have been able to talk, please? Right, please?

Regards

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Had this been true, it would have been able to talk, please? Right, please?

Regards

It does in a way when a human talks to another, after all everything that exists is an expression of the one God/Universe.

 

[paarsurrey]

It does in a way when a human talks to another, after all everything that exists is an expression of the one God/Universe.

And one's argument/justification, proof/verification and evidence/confirmation in this connection specifically when there is no claim of Converse of Universe from Universe in this connection, please. Right, please?

Regards

 

[Ben Dhyan]

And one's argument/justification, proof/verification and evidence/confirmation in this connection specifically when there is no claim of Converse of Universe from Universe in this connection, please. Right, please?

Regards

If you believe God is omnipresent throughout all that exists, then God and the Universe are one. If you believe God is separate from the Universe, then I understand why you would disagree with my comment.

 

[paarsurrey]

If you believe God is omnipresent throughout all that exists, then God and the Universe are one. If you believe God is separate from the Universe, then I understand why you would disagree with my comment.

One's understand is not correct, G-d is attributive and the Universe is his creation. The Creator is everywhere with his attributes and He rules the Universe/s by the power of His attributes. One may, therefore, correct oneself, please. Right, please?

Regards

 

[Ben Dhyan]

One's understand is not correct, G-d is attributive and the Universe is his creation. The Creator is everywhere with his attributes and He rules the Universe/s by the power of His attributes. One may, therefore, correct oneself, please. Right, please?

Regards

So what connects G-d to the Universe? Iow, since they both occupy the same space, what is the boundary that separates G-d from His creation?

 

[paarsurrey]

So what connects G-d to the Universe? Iow, since they both occupy the same space, what is the boundary that separates G-d from His creation?

G-d is neither physical nor a spirit, He is only attributive. All physical and the spirits are His creation. G-d has created space and time so He is within and outside the Universe with the power of His attributes, I understand, please. Right, please?

Regards
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[1:1] بِسۡمِ اللّٰہِ الرَّحۡمٰنِ الرَّحِیۡمِ﴿۱﴾
In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[1:2] اَلۡحَمۡدُ لِلّٰہِ رَبِّ الۡعٰلَمِیۡنَ ۙ﴿۲﴾
All praise belongs to Allah, Lord of all the worlds,
[1:3] الرَّحۡمٰنِ الرَّحِیۡمِ ۙ﴿۳﴾
The Gracious, the Merciful,
[1:4] مٰلِکِ یَوۡمِ الدِّیۡنِ ؕ﴿۴﴾
Master of the Day of Judgment.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

G-d is neither physical nor a spirit, He is only attributive. All physical and the spirits are His creation. G-d has created space and time so He is within and outside the Universe with the power of His attributes, I understand, please. Right, please?

Regards
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[1:1] بِسۡمِ اللّٰہِ الرَّحۡمٰنِ الرَّحِیۡمِ﴿۱﴾
In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[1:2] اَلۡحَمۡدُ لِلّٰہِ رَبِّ الۡعٰلَمِیۡنَ ۙ﴿۲﴾
All praise belongs to Allah, Lord of all the worlds,
[1:3] الرَّحۡمٰنِ الرَّحِیۡمِ ۙ﴿۳﴾
The Gracious, the Merciful,
[1:4] مٰلِکِ یَوۡمِ الدِّیۡنِ ؕ﴿۴﴾
Master of the Day of Judgment.

If man's conceptual understanding of G-d is that G-d is neither spirit or physical, then what is man's conceptual understanding of the essence G-d?

 

[paarsurrey]

If man's conceptual understanding of G-d is that G-d is neither spirit or physical, then what is man's conceptual understanding of the essence G-d?

What does one mean from the essence of G-d, please? Please elaborate. Right, please?

Regards

 

[Ben Dhyan]

What does one mean from the essence of G-d, please? Please elaborate. Right, please?

Regards

What is G-d made of?

 

[paarsurrey]

What is G-d made of?

I understand, I already told one in my post #50 , please:

"G-d is neither physical nor a spirit, He is only attributive. All physical and the spirits are His creation. G-d has created space and time so He is within and outside the Universe with the power of His attributes, I understand, please. Right, please?"

Regards

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I understand, I already told one in my post #50 , please:

"G-d is neither physical nor a spirit, He is only attributive. All physical and the spirits are His creation. G-d has created space and time so He is within and outside the Universe with the power of His attributes, I understand, please. Right, please?"

Regards

Saying that G-d is not physical or spirit is not the same thing as explaining what G-d is made of. So G-d is not physical or spirit, then what is G-d made of please? Do you understand?

Also what did G-d make spirit and physical matter from?

And do you understand that G-d is within you or no?.

 

[paarsurrey]

Saying that G-d is not physical or spirit is not the same thing as explaining what G-d is made of. So G-d is not physical or spirit, then what is G-d made of please? Do you understand?
Also what did G-d make spirit and physical matter from?
And do you understand that G-d is within you or no?.

Under the religious method the source of knowledge is Word of Revelation from G-d or Quran that is for the guidance of humanity on the right path to G-d, for which answer to the above two question is not needed, only His attributes are needed.
The answer to the third question is , yes He is within me and outside me with his attributes and signs:
[50:17] وَ لَقَدۡ خَلَقۡنَا الۡاِنۡسَانَ وَ نَعۡلَمُ مَا تُوَسۡوِسُ بِہٖ نَفۡسُہٗ ۚۖ وَ نَحۡنُ اَقۡرَبُ اِلَیۡہِ مِنۡ حَبۡلِ الۡوَرِیۡدِ ﴿۱۷﴾
And assuredly, We have created man and We know what his physical self whispers to him, and We are nearer to him than even his jugular vein.
[51:22] وَ فِیۡۤ اَنۡفُسِکُمۡ ؕ اَفَلَا تُبۡصِرُوۡنَ ﴿۲۲﴾
And also in your own selves. Will you not then see?
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Regards

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Under the religious method the source of knowledge is Word of Revelation from G-d or Quran that is for the guidance of humanity on the right path to G-d, for which answer to the above two question is not needed, only His attributes are needed.
The answer to the third question is , yes He is within me and outside me with his attributes and signs:
[50:17] وَ لَقَدۡ خَلَقۡنَا الۡاِنۡسَانَ وَ نَعۡلَمُ مَا تُوَسۡوِسُ بِہٖ نَفۡسُہٗ ۚۖ وَ نَحۡنُ اَقۡرَبُ اِلَیۡہِ مِنۡ حَبۡلِ الۡوَرِیۡدِ ﴿۱۷﴾
And assuredly, We have created man and We know what his physical self whispers to him, and We are nearer to him than even his jugular vein.
[51:22] وَ فِیۡۤ اَنۡفُسِکُمۡ ؕ اَفَلَا تُبۡصِرُوۡنَ ﴿۲۲﴾
And also in your own selves. Will you not then see?
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Regards

Ok, do you think it possible you can surrender completely to the G-d within you so that you may do G-d's will without having to think about it?

 

[paarsurrey]

It is not literal.

But do they have any claim and reason in their original source?
I don't think so, please. Right, please?

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Your position is that universe obeys creator Lord. Okay. Fine.

Even if I assume your position to be correct, then that leads to the fact that to obey orders intelligence is required.

Furthermore, if You think creator Lord is separate from the created, then you are contradicting the ‘immanence’ aspect of Lord.

You have not understood the point of the OP. The question is “What the universe is subjectively?”


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atanu wrote," leads to the fact that to obey orders intelligence is required."

It is a proverbial obeying meaning they could not disobey.
Like one pours water in a cup and then narrates that the cup said "stop, stop", meaning the cup did not have more capacity. Right, please?
One may say it is a poetic style. Right, please?

Regards

 

[exchemist]

You remind me of H.G. Wells' story >Under the Knife<.

Yes, that's a good story, about an "out of body" experience, in someone undergoing anaesthesia.