"Upon this rock", which rock?

[Fool]

Does the Holy Spirit teach contradictory things to different people.

double minded people don't listen to the spirit. they want to be loved but aren't generally loving towards other as self. what they don't classify as me, mine, our's.

 

[Fool]

Jesus said, the Father and I are one, and, if you have seen me you have seen the Fsther.

yes, and if you have seen love in action, you have seen the father too.

again john 14:20

and

again 1 john 4:4, 1 john 4:15-16

why do you ignore some of the scripture and not acknowledge all of it?

 

[Fool]

I have no idea how this applies or what you are trying to say. Sorry.

you're ignoring the fact that god is the creator, father of all created things. there are no exceptions.

 

[KW]

double minded people don't listen to the spirit. they want to be loved but aren't generally loving towards other as self. what they don't classify as me, mine, our's.

So anyone not listening to you, the self appointed pope, is ignoring the Holy Spirit?

 

[KW]

yes, and if you have seen love in action, you have seen the father too.

again john 14:20

and

again 1 john 4:4, 1 john 4:15-16

why do you ignore some of the scripture and not acknowledge all of it?

So you deny that Jesus is God?

 

[Kenny]

you're ignoring the fact that god is the creator, father of all created things. there are no exceptions.

And yet Jesus called some "Children of the devil".

You do have a point but we forget to factor in that mankind can choose to follow another and commit spiritual adultery leaving behind Our Father...

As Peter noted,

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Some choose not to.

 

[Colt]

That is your personal viewpoint, but when Matthew wrote:
"16 When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick:

17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses."

The apostle Matthew that knew him better than you and I, disagrees with your position.

However, you can believe what you believe if you want... it is called free will. I simply choose to believe the apostle.

Like I said, the apostles were Jews and naturally tried to justify leaving Judaism to follow Jesus as their Jewish Messiah by interpreting poetic prophesies in a certain way. To justify their faith to their fellows they began to see Jesus in scriptures that are widely open to interpretation.

I choose to believe Jesus. Judas was an apostle, I didn't believe him either. Peter denied Jesus 3 times even though he had been warned. I disagree with Peters denial.

 

[Fool]

So anyone not listening to you, the self appointed pope, is ignoring the Holy Spirit?

who are you to play the pope to me?

you're the one telling me to go through someone else. I'm telling everyone to seek god within. That is what jesus taught and what it means that I will pour out my spirit on all flesh. i didn't claim special privilege. you did.

matthew 24:23-30

in a flash of insight it is seen by each observer and not in some other place. so this is why he spoke in parables and why you don't understand. you have hardened your heart.

so my question to you, why are you afraid to have a direct relationship with god? why are you like the israelites who refused to have a direct relationship with god and made moses an intercessor?

 

[Fool]

So you deny that Jesus is God?

not once have i indicated that. see how far you have gone? you're so wrapped up in your personal belief to be right that now you're trying to imply something you believe about nothing i said.

god is omnipresent. present in all space/time; so jesus is god and so am I. so are you. christ is all and in all but not all recognize and understand that.

the name of names implies this idea that god is everywhere. but someone want to define god as otherwise, elsewhere, besides, outside.

 

[Fool]

And yet Jesus called some "Children of the devil".

You do have a point but we forget to factor in that mankind can choose to follow another and commit spiritual adultery leaving behind Our Father...

As Peter noted,

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Some choose not to.

because choosing their will over god's/love's will is not godly. it is service to self. but simply because an offspring commits a sin, an error, an unloving act doesn't make them any less an offspring. a parent can mentally disown a child but physically they are still a child of the one who created it.


unconditional love doesn't disown its children. it may have to reprimand, correct, restrict them from certain actions but that is for their and everyone else's well being.


you obviously don't understand how love works. it is the LAW. nothing is above it. but there are those who are double minded. they want to be loved but they don't want to love other as self.

 

[KW]

who are you to play the pope to me?

you're the one telling me to go through someone else. I'm telling everyone to seek god within. That is what jesus taught and what it means that I will pour out my spirit on all flesh. i didn't claim special privilege. you did.

matthew 24:23-30

in a flash of insight it is seen by each observer and not in some other place. so this is why he spoke in parables and why you don't understand. you have hardened your heart.

so my question to you, why are you afraid to have a direct relationship with god? why are you like the israelites who refused to have a direct relationship with god and made moses an intercessor?

Jesus told you to listen to the Church, not make up your own religion.

John speaks of you here:

1 John 2
19They went out from us, but they did not belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us. But their departure made it clear that none of them belonged to us.

 

[Fool]

Jesus told you to listen to the Church, not make up your own religion.

John speaks of you here:

1 John 2
19They went out from us, but they did not belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us. But their departure made it clear that none of them belonged to us.

i'm not creating a religion but you are maintaining one. jesus was a jew who could care less about what someone's religion was. love isn't exclusive to a religion.

again, why do you need an intercessor?


john wasn't a christian. he was still a jew. the church at smyrna refers to some of it's as false jews.


but you are like so many, you have left your first love for something man made. man was not made for the church. the church was made for man.

 

[KW]

i'm not creating a religion but you are maintaining one. jesus was a jew who could care less about what someone's religion was. love isn't exclusive to a religion.

again, why do you need an intercessor?


john wasn't a christian. he was still a jew. the church at smyrna refers to some of it's as false jews.


but you are like so many, you have left your first love for something man made. man was not made for the church. the church was made for man.

So when Jesus told you to obey the Church you ignore him and prefer to follow your own desires.

 

[Fool]

So when Jesus told you to obey the Church you ignore him and prefer to follow your own desires.

there are literally thousands of churches. god speaks directly to people. you seem to ignore that.

so why are you trying to dispirit people?

matthew 13:13-15

post the scripture; which says that you are to listen to everyone or anyone that goes to an outward, physical church?


jesus didn't even attend temple on a regular basis. you know tradition of men thing?

 

[KW]

there are literally thousands of churches. god speaks directly to people. you seem to ignore that.

so why are you trying to dispirit people?

matthew 13:13-15

post the scripture; which says that you are to listen to everyone or anyone that goes to an outward, physical church?


jesus didn't even attend temple on a regular basis. you know tradition of men thing?

Does the Church Jesus started teach any false doctrines?

Does Jesus want us to be led in all Truth?

How can two churches teaching contradictory doctrines be led by Jesus?

Jesus only started one Church. If you truly believe his words, then you believe that his Church teaches truth. There can only be one.

 

[idea]

Does the Holy Spirit teach contradictory things to different people.

That sensation is not from God, it is herd-bonding instincts. Deer, wolves, horses, people - you are feeling the call to be part of a herd, not a call from God.

"Elevation is an emotion elicited by witnessing actual or imagined virtuous acts of remarkable moral goodness. It is experienced as a distinct feeling of warmth and expansion that is accompanied by appreciation and affection for the individual whose exceptional conduct is being observed."

Elevation (emotion) - Wikipedia.

It is not from "God"

 

[KW]

That sensation is not from God, it is herd-bonding instincts. Deer, wolves, horses, people - you are feeling the call to be part of a herd, not a call from God.

"Elevation is an emotion elicited by witnessing actual or imagined virtuous acts of remarkable moral goodness. It is experienced as a distinct feeling of warmth and expansion that is accompanied by appreciation and affection for the individual whose exceptional conduct is being observed."

Elevation (emotion) - Wikipedia.

It is not from "God"

Jesus is God. The words of Jesus are the words of God.

Some day I hope you find this truth.

 

[Fool]

Does the Church Jesus started teach any false doctrines?

the church of jesus' times isn't the one constantine approved some 300+/- years later.

Does Jesus want us to be led in all Truth?

the Spirit of Truth isn't a church. Its an advocate, a spirit. it is the spirit of love. of serving those who are in need now. it isn't a material building, or religious dogma. the catholic church was corrupt from the beginning. you elect popes. that isn't how it worked during jesus' times. all 12 were sent forth with the good news.

How can two churches teaching contradictory doctrines be led by Jesus?

so there was 12 disciples and all were loved. all were sent out into the world. the malabar nasrani are older than the catholic church.

the church at constantinople is as old as your church and yet your denomination and theirs is at odds.f

Jesus only started one Church. If you truly believe his words, then you believe that his Church teaches truth. There can only be one.

you were told to worship in spirit because the Father is spirit. not in a material self-satisfying outward display of pride.

rome has fallen. its full of earthly treasures gathered up over centuries and upon the death of millions it didn't love.

 

[KW]

the church of jesus' times isn't the one constantine approved some 300+/- years later.

the Spirit of Truth isn't a church. Its an advocate, a spirit. it is the spirit of love. of serving those who are in need now. it isn't a material building, or religious dogma. the catholic church was corrupt from the beginning. you elect popes. that isn't how it worked during jesus' times. all 12 were sent forth with the good news.

so there was 12 disciples and all were loved. all were sent out into the world. the malabar nasrani are older than the catholic church.

the church at constantinople is as old as your church and yet your denomination and theirs is at odds.f

you were told to worship in spirit because the Father is spirit. not in a material self-satisfying outward display of pride.

rome has fallen. its full of earthly treasures gathered up over centuries and upon the death of millions it didn't love.

You reject the Church Jesus started, which is the largest charity in the world, by the way, at your own peril.

You can go to the worst places on earth and you will find Catholics there feeding the poor, caring for the sick, and sharing the gospel of Jesus.

 

[Fool]

You reject the Church Jesus started, which is the largest charity in the world, by the way, at your own peril.

You can go to the worst places on earth and you will find Catholics there feeding the poor, caring for the sick, and sharing the gospel of Jesus.

rejecting you and the catholic church doesn't mean i don't believe.

christians who help the needy and expect them to become christian are just creating another issue. you don't have to be christian, buddhist, hindu, or any religious person to help a person in need. and expecting them to pay you back by becoming another brick in the wall of some religious institution isn't being of service.

again love, altruism is not exclusive to a religion. jesus didn't follow the rules of the temple rulers. you're trying to create a dependency where none is necessary. everyone has the power, the spirit to love. but not everyone is loving. you have left your first love for something that isn't needed.