Furchizedek
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Well, I believe the same things.
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Urantia Book Questions
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Well, I believe the same things.
paarsurrey
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Many people in USA have converted to Ahmadiyya Muslims.
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LuisMarco
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Just remember, Guys, please remember that the Wikipedia entry of The URANTIA Book is biased and generally not accurate (although it has its goodies too at same entry), so see for yourselves examples such as this one:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/08/17/study-on-wikipedia-politically-controversial-science-topics-are-vulnerable-to-information-sabotage/
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https://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/08/17/study-on-wikipedia-politically-controversial-science-topics-are-vulnerable-to-information-sabotage/
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urantianX
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Real validation and certainty of the URANTIA divine revelation:
first of all, the Wikipedia is almost trash; it's a fact that is useful and has a lot of facts, fortunately, but see this now:
and the URANTIA celestial revelators clarified its outdated science:
and also the divine revelators told us of URANTIA's advanced science:
first of all, the Wikipedia is almost trash; it's a fact that is useful and has a lot of facts, fortunately, but see this now:
- 'Study: On Wikipedia, politically controversial science topics are vulnerable to information sabotage' Study: On Wikipedia, politically controversial science topics are vulnerable to information sabotage • Watts Up With That?
- 'Wikipedia co-founder: “Wikipedia is broken,” run by bad actors and special interests to smear all voices of dissentWikipedia co-founder: “Wikipedia is broken,” run by bad actors and special interests to smear all voices of dissent' Wikipedia co-founder: “Wikipedia is broken,” run by bad actors and special interests to smear all voices of dissent – NaturalNews.com
- 'Myth Persists that Wikipedia Is Reliable' Myth Persists that <I>Wikipedia</I> Is Reliable | Evolution News
and the URANTIA celestial revelators clarified its outdated science:
and also the divine revelators told us of URANTIA's advanced science:
luismarco, 39, mexico city
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Greetings all,
Ive been a reader off and on over the years and commentator of some parts,.....the UB is indeed a fascinating tome, with many interesting ideas and conceptual frames expanding upon the human knowledge already had in its time of writing....within science, philosophy and religion,....its supposed to be the 5th 'epochal revelation' for this age, as Jesus was the 4th epochal revelation in his time. Truth is ever being unfolded by the movement of progressive revelation,....thats just how revelation in space-time works of truths that are universal and eternal. All science grows and is continually evolving as MORE is being discovered. This applies to both spiritual and material knowledge, as we evolve in consciousness.
Ive usually used the UB Fellowship or Truthbook website forums for online text or article studies
I've done commentaries on the first 5 papers and usually recommend them first, being a basic rehash or expansion of classical theism, with some extra dimensions and terms revealing a larger context frame. - the Forward is a concise synopsis of the whole of the book, a bit advanced for beginners but comprehended better for more advanced readers. Ive mostly had interest in some parts mainly and the ideas/concepts therein, while other parts of the tome I have less interest in,......one is free to find whatever areas they resonate with.
Reading along while listening to the audio also helps on a multisensory level, if one like to follow along the Youtube video presentations while reading the text online as well - the very first Paper is on The Universal Father, - it reveals a fundamental monotheistic core, while also emphasizing a special attention to 'personality', how that God has a personality and is the very source of 'personality', being the Father of all personalities in the cosmos. - this emphasis on personality and the spark of divinity or fragment of the universal Father that indwells souls, is a unique teaching aspect of the UB. This divine spark or spirit essence of 'God' within each soul is called the 'thought adjuster'(spirit monitor), among other names. It is the 'pilot light' of the soul
Paper 1 is the Genesis of the entire revelation, while the last Paper 196 is on the 'Faith of Jesus'....so the book being 'God' and 'Christ' centered, is pretty self evident. It speaks of its own terms of meanings and values, within its own contents and CONTEXT, just like any other book or revelation, so must be interpreted through such 'terms'.
Paper 1, The Universal Father (text/audio)
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Greetings all,
Ive been a reader off and on over the years and commentator of some parts,.....the UB is indeed a fascinating tome, with many interesting ideas and conceptual frames expanding upon the human knowledge already had in its time of writing....within science, philosophy and religion,....its supposed to be the 5th 'epochal revelation' for this age, as Jesus was the 4th epochal revelation in his time. Truth is ever being unfolded by the movement of progressive revelation,....thats just how revelation in space-time works of truths that are universal and eternal. All science grows and is continually evolving as MORE is being discovered. This applies to both spiritual and material knowledge, as we evolve in consciousness.
Ive usually used the UB Fellowship or Truthbook website forums for online text or article studies
I've done commentaries on the first 5 papers and usually recommend them first, being a basic rehash or expansion of classical theism, with some extra dimensions and terms revealing a larger context frame. - the Forward is a concise synopsis of the whole of the book, a bit advanced for beginners but comprehended better for more advanced readers. Ive mostly had interest in some parts mainly and the ideas/concepts therein, while other parts of the tome I have less interest in,......one is free to find whatever areas they resonate with.
Reading along while listening to the audio also helps on a multisensory level, if one like to follow along the Youtube video presentations while reading the text online as well - the very first Paper is on The Universal Father, - it reveals a fundamental monotheistic core, while also emphasizing a special attention to 'personality', how that God has a personality and is the very source of 'personality', being the Father of all personalities in the cosmos. - this emphasis on personality and the spark of divinity or fragment of the universal Father that indwells souls, is a unique teaching aspect of the UB. This divine spark or spirit essence of 'God' within each soul is called the 'thought adjuster'(spirit monitor), among other names. It is the 'pilot light' of the soul
Paper 1 is the Genesis of the entire revelation, while the last Paper 196 is on the 'Faith of Jesus'....so the book being 'God' and 'Christ' centered, is pretty self evident. It speaks of its own terms of meanings and values, within its own contents and CONTEXT, just like any other book or revelation, so must be interpreted through such 'terms'.
Paper 1, The Universal Father (text/audio)
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I believe then we should be in agreement otherwise one of us is mistaken.
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I believe they are not much better off than they were before.
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Supposedly wikipedia accepts information from contributors. Obviously the views of contributors may vary.
The Bible or UB like any other religious volume is filled with various books, chapters "channeled" by various authors or 'spirits' and further filtered thru many other conditioning factors (human or divine) that may determine its narrative; - anything coming thru human 'channels' may suffer some distortion, whether there is a sincere or more nefarious purpose or agenda behind it. Therefore all things merit questioning and discernment (scientific method applies to all fields of knowledge, even progressive revelation of things spiritual).
Just like a merchant seeks for the most valuable pearls and lays out his collectibles (things observed/discovered) to examine them, such is one way of the kingdom of heaven concerning recognizing values. We all are 'channel's of source-energy and our own souls which is further inspired by various spiritual influences and feelings. While 'God' is that universal Spirit-Source of all, the cosmos is also the home to trillions of spirit-offspring of that Original SPIRIT. We are God's temple, and that temple has various chambers and instruments used in such worship, metaphorically speaking.
Truth is truth wherever you find it, and is to be interpreted within its proper context within any given literature. The content of any given literature will reflect some aspects of the terms and conditions of its time and culture, while truths that are more or less eternal stand the test of time and human imperfections. Thats how I'd approach both books, as they have their own unique contents and context.
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I dont see a correlation really, while there is no Church of Urantia or proselyting organization per se besides the official publisher and various study groups/organizations, also that some UB students are also Bible students (as well other religious texts) and recognize both as valid, although seeing the UB as an expanded and updated revelation.
The UB's theology is grounded mostly in classical traditional theism, judeo-christian monotheism (the basics of God's relationship to man and man doing God's will), but it expands on that revealing more to Deity and the greater cosmic relationships, on a much greater detailed scale. Sometimes a 'bigger picture' gives us a better or more nuanced view of the cosmos and our place in it.
Well, not sure thats an accurate depiction of the whole revelation, but a generalized blanket assumption (not seeing the forest for the trees), as the first 12 papers are all about the fundamentals of God's nature/character, his relationship to man and to the universe and the structure thereof, pretty standard monotheism at the core, but with added nuance and detail.
The first 5 Papers are fundamental to UB theology, its heart....all other details are only secondary scaffolding which may be more or less signficant, even some aspects conditioned perhaps by human influence,....the UB never claims to be 'perfect' or 'final'....as revelation is ongoing. I see nothing 'sci-fi' in the UB's essential theology, only that it expands the soul's vision and perspective to a cosmic dimension of eternal progression and exploration to infinity. Some parts may be more embellished than others, but the essential truths, elaborations of meanings and values holds concerning spirit realities and religious principles.
The final Paper 'The Faith of Jesus' summarizes the whole of the revelation in light of Jesus ministry, so it begins with Paper 1, 'The Univesal Father'.....and ends with Paper 196 'The Faith of Jesus'.....thats the A - Z of it all really. - there may be more fanciful parts within the tome, and some parts may hold more interest or truth-resonance to some than others. But it is what it is. Judging without a proper and thorough reading of it, would be premature and partial. I recommend the first 12 papers for the UB's essential theology/cosmology,....while the ministry of Jesus remains the core-theme and zenith of it all anyways, ultimately, as far as 'God' and 'Man' is concerned.
- 1. The Universal Father - Divine Counselor
- 2. The Nature of God - Divine Counselor
- 3. The Attributes of God - Divine Counselor
- 4. God's Relation to the Universe - Divine Counselor
- 5. God's Relation to the Individual - Divine Counselor
- 6. The Eternal Son - Divine Counselor
- 7. Relation of the Eternal Son to the Universe - Divine Counselor
- 8. The Infinite Spirit - Divine Counselor
- 9. Relation of the Infinite Spirit to the Universe - Divine Counselor
- 10. The Paradise Trinity - Universal Censor
- 11. The Eternal Isle of Paradise - Perfector of Wisdom
- 12. The Universe of Universes - Perfector of Wisdom
Paper 2. The Nature of God | Urantia Book Fellowship | eng01
urantiabook.org
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Continuing Urantia studies, with a good intro above.....just to kick start this back up again for any interested. The first 12 papers are indeed foundational as far as the nature of God, evolution of creation and cosmology of existence goes. So far the UB is unique in its overall context overlay and content details, so one can pick and choose what parts may be more or less controversial or plausible as theory or fact, let alone religious fiction with a touch of sci-fi, so your mileage may vary
I havent dived into it for awhile, but may do so as time affords. It definitely expands one's cosmology and theology outside the typical orthodox bouneries of God's Creation in its ever evolving potentials and possibilities. I dont know about some details or names of places that the celestial personalities describe, but those truths, values and principles that are universal and eternal in nature and applicaiton will hold in their respective contexts, and that what essentially matters. While we may presume an absolute truth as existing, the truths we relate to will always be 'relative' and conditional to minds interefacing within creation, since there is duality, relativity and distortion in these realms. The papers describe wonderfully the differences between the absolutes and relatives and how they interface or coordinate in the totality.
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2:7.1 (42.2) All finite knowledge and creature understanding are relative. Information and intelligence, gleaned from even high sources, is only relatively complete, locally accurate, and personally true.
2:7.2 (42.3) Physical facts are fairly uniform, but truth is a living and flexible factor in the philosophy of the universe. Evolving personalities are only partially wise and relatively true in their communications. They can be certain only as far as their personal experience extends. That which apparently may be wholly true in one place may be only relatively true in another segment of creation.
2:7.3 (42.4) Divine truth, final truth, is uniform and universal, but the story of things spiritual, as it is told by numerous individuals hailing from various spheres, may sometimes vary in details owing to this relativity in the completeness of knowledge and in the repleteness of personal experience as well as in the length and extent of that experience. While the laws and decrees, the thoughts and attitudes, of the First Great Source and Center are eternally, infinitely, and universally true; at the same time, their application to, and adjustment for, every universe, system, world, and created intelligence, are in accordance with the plans and technique of the Creator Sons as they function in their respective universes, as well as in harmony with the local plans and procedures of the Infinite Spirit and of all other associated celestial personalities.
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Again, in the essence of Deity itself is what is alone, 'absolute'. - however in the expansion and fragmentation of creation, levels of distortion come into existence which affect perceptions of truth relative to the whole and its relations. Fun stuff
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