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US announces closure of Palestinian mission in Washington

Shaul

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Including funding for hospitals in part of Jerusalem. A little more help from Trump maybe the Palestinians will just wither away and die off. But they're no exactly without blame when they continue bombing Israel.
Did you know the the Palestinians have used hospitals and ambulances in their terrorist attacks? The Palestinians routinely use civilians, including women and children as human shields. Then there are the “blood money” payments to the families of terrorist “martyrs”.
 

Shaul

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Premium Member
Gee that's a useful word, isn't it? You can shortcut basically any argument by characterising anything associated with it with "terrorism", huh?
Which word, “humanitarian” of “terrorist”? Both are nebulous. Nonetheless, there are genuine acts of terrorism committed by the Palestinians. Dismissing them cavalierly is wrong.
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
Israelis are acting just like Nazis towards the Palestinians, and if you support that?????
 

The Emperor of Mankind

Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
Seems a bit odd that you decry one side and big up the other for exactly the same actions.

Not for the same reasons. The Jewish Agency accepted the two-state solution offered prior to Israel's creation; the Arab League rejected it and all possible two-state solutions then invaded Israel. What choice did the Jews have but to defend themselves and claim by force the right to self-determination the Arabs were trying to deny them?


And how much of that land wasn't?

That doesn't answer my question.


Do you realise you are condoning mass murder?

I'm not. I'm recognising that whichever side gained the upper hand was going to do it. Self-defence is the lesser of two evils. All the Arabs had to do to not get 'mass-murdered' was to not attack the Jews. All the Jews had to do to not get mass-murdered was to not dare try to make their own country.


As far as i understand it, its not that the Palestinians dont want a Jewish state but they don't want it on their stolen land.
But you have sympathy for isreal mass murdering Palestinians?

Where else should the Jews create their own country (if not on land they have a historical, religious and cultural connection to) given the fact that every non-Jewish country they've ever tried to settle in has made it clear they're not wanted; either by making them second-class citizens or by outright expulsion. That last one includes a few Arab countries who expelled their Jewish populations over the fact Israel had the temerity to not roll over and die.


Ahh chrystal ball gazing, that cures all ills

No; an extrapolation based on the fact that most Arab countries at present are, or were until recently, benighted tyrannies. Also the fact that Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas has ensured his presidential term is indefinite. This doesn't scream 'democracy and accountability' to me.



So where is islamland, christisnland, hinduland???

Islamland = Saudi Arabia aka the country comprising land where Islam originated and where there's a Muslim majority

Christianland = there isn't one

Hinduland = India aka the country comprising land where Hinduism's various traditions have arisen and where there's a Hindu majority.


Israelis are acting just like Nazis towards the Palestinians, and if you support that?????

First off there's a touch of anti-Semitism in the fact you lazily jumped straight to the Nazis when you could have made a stronger comparison with another country like Burma;

Secondly I'll explain why this done-to-death claim is just plain wrong even though I'm fairly sure I'm wasting my time:
  1. Israel shows a level of restraint the Nazis did not show during their twelve years in power. Come on, even just stacking the respective fatality counts up should show you the Nazi comparison holds no weight. 6 million Jews and something like 11 million other 'undesirables' were systematically slaughtered in the span of twelve years. This doesn't even cover casualties of the actual Second World War. Whereas according to the Centre for Systemic Peace the Israel-Palestine conflict has claimed 25,000 lives. 25,000 in over fifty years of continuous fighting compared to 11 million in twelve years of Nazi rule;
  2. The Jews had not declared war on Nazi Germany, nor were they an inherently insurgent population when the Holocaust began. On the other hand Israel is defending itself from a population that has from day 1 advocated and attempted to enact its destruction multiple times;
  3. The Nazis deprived Jews of resources and livelihoods simply because they were Jews. Israel is blockading Gaza to try and deprive Hamas and their supporters of resources they can use to attack Israeli citizens. I'm old enough to remember seeing news reports on TV after school covering the Second Intifada where the Palestinians rose up in anger at settlement construction which was well within the the terms of the Oslo Accords. I remember Israeli civilians being subjected to daily rocket and mortar attacks from the Gaza Strip and the occasional attack over the border from Lebanon as a result;
  4. Israel is not trying to take over the world. Israelis want one country to call their own and to be at peace with their neighbours. Same can't be said for the Third Reich or for the Arabs, actually;
  5. Jumping briefly back to casualty count; did you know the Syrian Civil War has been going on for 7 years and already there's been anywhere between 353,593–511,000 fatalities according to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights and yet it seems like nobody cares?
Why is it such a big deal when Arabs are occasionally killed by non-Arabs yet when it's Arabs doing it to one another constantly in one country for years the field of ****s lies fallow?
 
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Flankerl

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Bull, the blockade is still in force

Well yeah. Hamas is at war with Israel.

What do you expect? That Israel delivers them weapons to attack Israel?


Before you even start, humanitarian aid passes the border daily.


Did Israeli soldiers get gang raped too? Show me news reports of that and we'll call it equal

But that is just a claim. A claim is not evidence. I can claim all sorts of stuff and you would deny it because it's not evidence.


Sorry!!! I didnt realise you were the arbiter of who goes where.

So you would take your children where members of terrorist organisations would stage attacks on a fortified border?
Is that a gentile thing?


If it were my opinion i would not have bothered with a united nations article

But that comment wasn't about the UN article but the one about the Nazi stuff.


Did i say that? You think Israeli soldiers armed with american weapons can storm palestinian homes and drive them out to steal their land?

Believe it or not but most Israeli soldiers are armed with Israeli guns and rifles.
Because the country kinda produces its own weaponry and is not entirely dependent on foreign weaponry.


Bull, if its fake tell google that all its pictures depicting the same scenario are fake. Interestingly it seems you have picked up on hasbara propaganda to make such a suggestion

Nice evasion with some Hasbara thrown in completely ignoring everything I wrote.
I love how every single Jew on the internet that not wishes the destruction of Israel is somehow a Hasbara shill. It makes it so easy to deny every argument.


When isreal was founded it was at the expense of arab land. Sure Palestine was on the loosing side in Ww2. That doesnt make what is seen as land theft any easier to swallow. All that has occured is a result and that has been somewhat one sided massacre by a superior force with substantially superior arms.

I love how the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is the only conflict on the entire planet where people moan about war being unfair and that both sides should be equipped equally so that an equal number of people on both sides die.

You can't make this stuff up.


Nor are Hebrews
They are a religion, a religion is not a nation

Hey listen up Göring/Lueger, we Jews have been calling ourselves a Nation when your kind didn't even fathom the idea of "Nation".
We are an Ethnoreligious people. We aren't the only ones by the way. But something tells me we are the only ones you have a problem with.

We get to decide who we are.
Not you.

Oh and by the way, archaeological evidence is pretty clear that we are indigenous to Eretz Yisrael, or how it once was called: Canaan.
Hebrew is a Canaanite Language. The only Canaanite language still around.

You might also want to read up on the Phoenician and Paleo-Hebrew alphabet.



Every atrocity and piece of land ever acquired in human history is because somebody lost a war. This seems like a Darwinian, "only-the-strong-shall-survive" kind of argument.

I can see all the other points you're making, and I realize that the leaders and governments of Arabic-speaking nations are not innocent victims either.

It was similar here in America, where we rolled over the entire continent, committing atrocities, mass slaughter, and slavery along the way. We still have Indian reservations, but we now recognize that what we did in the past was wrong. Nobody is confined to reservations anymore, as their inhabitants can come and go as they please.

A lot of people opposed the civil rights movement because they thought certain ethnic groups were "dangerous," just as some Israelis see the Arabs as dangerous. But others thought it was even more dangerous to continue to oppress minority groups and felt that granting civil rights and treating people as equals would help to ease tensions and reduce the danger. Looking back, it appears that that was the correct choice to make.

If the West Bank security barrier and the border to Gaza were to be demolished a lot of Israelis would be murdered.
Like really a lot.
It would be the 90s and early 00s all over again.

Israelis do not want to relive the Intifadas.
How weird they are. Don't want to be killed.


1400 years is a long time, and the Arabian Peninsula is still relatively close to the territory. Nomads move around.

So uh there has been a continuous Jewish presence Eretz Yisrael for like the last... 3000 years.
We've always been there.
Just because we haven't been in power for the last 1900 years and the Romans pretty much tried to kill us all doesn't mean you get to ignore it.



But they saw themselves as Arabs.

As Syrians if you want to be precise.
I think there's a country with that name.


By what right did Britain do that? I'm ashamed.

Heaven forbid the Jews have a country that is made up of some areas by the sea, some landlocked area by Lake Tiberias and the Negev desert while the Arabs have fertile Judea and Samaria and can overlook all of the new Jewish state with ease.

We can't have that! Those damn Jews!


Making them receivers of stolen property.

I think the Turks had other problems at that time.



Israelis are acting just like Nazis towards the Palestinians, and if you support that?????

Yeah I still remember the hundreds of thousands of murdered Palestinians by the Israeli Einsatzgruppen.
And those that weren't murdered on the spot were brought to extermination camps.

I am still amazed how you haven't been banned yet. But then of course you always know when to write Israelis and not Jews. Though we both know what you really mean.

You also forgot your characteristic smilies in your post. You know, to hide your ulterior motive.
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
the Zionist response is to have no care for the palestinians whatsoever, as if they want them to not exist so they can complete stealing their land. Fact is most of the victims and deaths in this conflict are overwhelmingly Palestinian, and yet Israel claims they are the aggressor, the world no longer believes their BS
 

Stevicus

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If the West Bank security barrier and the border to Gaza were to be demolished a lot of Israelis would be murdered.
Like really a lot.
It would be the 90s and early 00s all over again.

Israelis do not want to relive the Intifadas.
How weird they are. Don't want to be killed.

Yes, I can perfectly understand that. Of course, it seems difficult to predict exactly what would happen, but from what you're describing, it sounds analogous to what Thomas Jefferson said about "holding a wolf by the ears." It's not a situation one would want, but one doesn't dare let go. That's why it went on for as long as it did and why we had Jim Crow laws for so long. People were afraid of what would happen if they were given equal rights.

So uh there has been a continuous Jewish presence Eretz Yisrael for like the last... 3000 years.
We've always been there.
Just because we haven't been in power for the last 1900 years and the Romans pretty much tried to kill us all doesn't mean you get to ignore it.

I'm not ignoring it, but why punish the Arabs for something the Romans did?
 

The Emperor of Mankind

Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
Yeah I still remember the hundreds of thousands of murdered Palestinians by the Israeli Einsatzgruppen.
And those that weren't murdered on the spot were brought to extermination camps.

I am still amazed how you haven't been banned yet.

Yeah, really. I love how some people, when they want to criticise Israel, jump straight to the Nazi comparison. We'd be forgiven for thinking there was some reason other than unthinking reactionism for that...
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
Well Netanyahoo is pretty much a fascist, there's no doubt about that.
 

Shaul

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Premium Member
The arabs weren't the occupiers of Palestine, they were the native inhabitants
But not all Arabs are Palestinians and many of them who claim to be aren’t. Did you know Yassar Arafat was born in Cairo, Egypt? Did you also know that there are Jewish Palestinians? Even the PLO says so.
 
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Shaul

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Arabs originated in Palestine, read your Bible, Abrahams son, first Arab
That isn’t what the Bible says. It says the Arabs are descendants of Cush and lived in Arabia. The Quran concurs with the Bible about that too.
 

Shaul

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When isreal was founded it was at the expense of arab land. Sure Palestine was on the loosing side in Ww2. That doesnt make what is seen as land theft any easier to swallow. All that has occured is a result and that has been somewhat one sided massacre by a superior force with substantially superior arms.

What is the alternative?

If inhumanity is better than the alternative you are welcome to it
No it wasn’t. Jews have lived in the parts of the land of Israel continuously for over 3800 years. Before the establishment of the State of Israel Jews bought the lands that were later part of the Jewish part of the UN partition. The lands they gained later came after being attacked. While some theft of land occurred on both sides, saying the Jews “stole” the land from Palestinians is both simplistic and wrong.
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
read you Quran, arabs came from Abrahams illegitimate son
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
What the Zionists perspective seems to have in common is a complete lack of concern for the welfare of their Palestinian neighbors, and a complete focus on only Jewish lives matter, its disgusting really, we're all people, no race is any better than any other race, and besides Jews and Arabs are closely related.
 

Shaul

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Israelis are acting just like Nazis towards the Palestinians, and if you support that?????
“When used in the context of Jews or Israel, it’s not just a really poor comparison; its use is designed to cause distress to those who survived the Holocaust or who grew up as the children of survivors. It’s like disagreeing with someone eating meat, and knowing they are a rape victim, choosing to make your point by comparing eating meat with rape and saying that someone who had been raped should know better. It’s not just a bad analogy, it’s applying a different standard to someone because they are a victim, making them a victim a second time.”
Antisemitism: The Israel – Nazi Comparison
 
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