US announces closure of Palestinian mission in Washington

[Shaul]

I'd like to hear yours.

Simultaneously pursue both the two state solution and the “one and a half” state solution. Resumption of aid can be linked to Palestinian participation in negotiations and on negotiations moving forward.

 

[ChristineM]

Not for the same reasons. The Jewish Agency accepted the two-state solution offered prior to Israel's creation; the Arab League rejected it and all possible two-state solutions then invaded Israel. What choice did the Jews have but to defend themselves and claim by force the right to self-determination the Arabs were trying to deny them?

Does the reason matter when the result is the same?

That doesn't answer my question.

It is sufficient for me

I'm not. I'm recognising that whichever side gained the upper hand was going to do it. Self-defence is the lesser of two evils. All the Arabs had to do to not get 'mass-murdered' was to not attack the Jews. All the Jews had to do to not get mass-murdered was to not dare try to make their own country.

Right, of that makes you happy

Where else should the Jews create their own country (if not on land they have a historical, religious and cultural connection to) given the fact that every non-Jewish country they've ever tried to settle in has made it clear they're not wanted; either by making them second-class citizens or by outright expulsion. That last one includes a few Arab countries who expelled their Jewish populations over the fact Israel had the temerity to not roll over and die.

Egypt? According to the bible.
Seems to be a common occurrence. How about if some wondering tramp set up home on your garden and said "thats mine"

No; an extrapolation based on the fact that most Arab countries at present are, or were until recently, benighted tyrannies. Also the fact that Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas has ensured his presidential term is indefinite. This doesn't scream 'democracy and accountability' to me.

it is not your prerogative to dictate what sort of government another country employs.

Islamland = Saudi Arabia aka the country comprising land where Islam originated and where there's a Muslim majority

Christianland = there isn't one

Hinduland = India aka the country comprising land where Hinduism's various traditions have arisen and where there's a Hindu majority.

Why are you making things up? None of them exist. Or include the america, much of europe and russia, much of the antipodese as chrostianland.

 

[ChristineM]

Persecution of Copts - Wikipedia

Once again irrelevant to the thread

 

[ChristineM]

Well yeah. Hamas is at war with Israel.

What do you expect? That Israel delivers them weapons to attack Israel?


Before you even start, humanitarian aid passes the border daily.

Isreal is at war with hamas. Nope i expect one side using us funded high tech weapons, the other using home made pipe bombs. Funnily enough my expectations are pretty close to the mark

But that is just a claim. A claim is not evidence. I can claim all sorts of stuff and you would deny it because it's not evidence.

It is s reported claim and of course you are denying it becaise it doesnt do the israeli much good

So you would take your children where members of terrorist organisations would stage attacks on a fortified border?
Is that a gentile thing?

Thats a bit of a pathetic response dont you think?

But that comment wasn't about the UN article but the one about the Nazi stuff.

What you were talking about is not my problem,i know what i was talking about

Believe it or not but most Israeli soldiers are armed with Israeli guns and rifles.
Because the country kinda produces its own weaponry and is not entirely dependent on foreign weaponry.

American military funding to the tune of $10.5 million per day pays for a lot of weapons

Nice evasion with some Hasbara thrown in completely ignoring everything I wrote.
I love how every single Jew on the internet that not wishes the destruction of Israel is somehow a Hasbara shill. It makes it so easy to deny every argument.

What you wrote was "false". As for the rest of your hyperbole... 'Nuff said

I love how the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is the only conflict on the entire planet where people moan about war being unfair and that both sides should be equipped equally so that an equal number of people on both sides die.

You can't make this stuff up.

More hyperbole

Hey listen up Göring/Lueger, we Jews have been calling ourselves a Nation when your kind didn't even fathom the idea of "Nation".
We are an Ethnoreligious people. We aren't the only ones by the way. But something tells me we are the only ones you have a problem with.

We get to decide who we are.
Not you.

Oh and by the way, archaeological evidence is pretty clear that we are indigenous to Eretz Yisrael, or how it once was called: Canaan.
Hebrew is a Canaanite Language. The only Canaanite language still around.

You might also want to read up on the Phoenician and Paleo-Hebrew alphabet.

And sieg heil to you too.
you can call yourselves micky mouse, it does that make you a rodent?

Yes i am aware of the claims of your tribal ancestry

 

[ChristineM]

No it wasn’t. Jews have lived in the parts of the land of Israel continuously for over 3800 years. Before the establishment of the State of Israel Jews bought the lands that were later part of the Jewish part of the UN partition. The lands they gained later came after being attacked. While some theft of land occurred on both sides, saying the Jews “stole” the land from Palestinians is both simplistic and wrong.

Nope, not wrong

If Americans Knew - What every American needs to know about Israel/Palestine

 

[pearl]

Did you know the the Palestinians have used hospitals and ambulances in their terrorist attacks? The Palestinians routinely use civilians, including women and children as human shields. Then there are the “blood money” payments to the families of terrorist “martyrs”.

The Palestinian People should not be defined by Hamas, a terrorist, fundamentalist organization, anymore than the People of Israel should be defined by their own fundamentalist extremists.

Yigal Amir, a 27-year-old Jewish law student who had connections to the far-right Jewish group Eyal. Israeli police arrested Amir at the scene of the shooting, and he later confessed to the assassination, explaining at his arraignment that he killed Rabin because the prime minister wanted "to give our country to the Arabs."

Anwar Sadat, the first Arab leader to recognize the state of Israel since its creation in 1948,
assassinated by Egyptian Islamic Jihad

 

[GoodbyeDave]

That isn’t what the Bible says. It says the Arabs are descendants of Cush and lived in Arabia. The Quran concurs with the Bible about that too.

Citing the Bible and Quran is hardly going to convince the millions who think both books are pernicious lies.

 

[Flankerl]

the Zionist response is to have no care for the palestinians whatsoever, as if they want them to not exist so they can complete stealing their land. Fact is most of the victims and deaths in this conflict are overwhelmingly Palestinian, and yet Israel claims they are the aggressor, the world no longer believes their BS

You forgot the part where the Zionists drink the blood of the non-Zionists.

Yes, I can perfectly understand that. Of course, it seems difficult to predict exactly what would happen, but from what you're describing, it sounds analogous to what Thomas Jefferson said about "holding a wolf by the ears." It's not a situation one would want, but one doesn't dare let go. That's why it went on for as long as it did and why we had Jim Crow laws for so long. People were afraid of what would happen if they were given equal rights.

No you don't understand. It is exactly what would happen. It is what they fantasize about every single day.
It doesn't matter what average Mahmoud in some small village thinks, it matters what the ones with the weapons think.
And they want blood.
The reason they don't get what they want is the IDF.

It is not even remotely like anything that happened in the USA.

I'm not ignoring it, but why punish the Arabs for something the Romans did?

What are you talking about?

Yeah, really. I love how some people, when they want to criticise Israel, jump straight to the Nazi comparison. We'd be forgiven for thinking there was some reason other than unthinking reactionism for that...

It's because they have to deal in hyperbole to attract attention.
And it works.

Isreal is at war with hamas. Nope i expect one side using us funded high tech weapons, the other using home made pipe bombs. Funnily enough my expectations are pretty close to the mark

In the last episode with Gaza Iranian made Fajr-5 rockets reached as far as Tel Aviv and Jerusalem.
These things are 1500kg heavy, 6,485m long and have a 90kg warhead.
Those rockets are loaded with a crane for crying out loud.
Home made? Sure.

It is s reported claim and of course you are denying it becaise it doesnt do the israeli much good

So you agree that it is just a claim and not supported by any evidence.

Good.

Thats a bit of a pathetic response dont you think?

Why? We Jews generally try to shelter our children from harm.
Perhaps it's different for Gentiles. Or perhaps it's just a trend in Gaza.

I wouldn't do it. But perhaps I am weird.

What you were talking about is not my problem,i know what i was talking about

Ah yes ignore the context. Great style.

American military funding to the tune of $10.5 million per day pays for a lot of weapons

I wrote about guns and rifles.
I wasn't aware that the Jericho pistols and Tavor rifles are US made.

So nice of you ignoring my post.

What you wrote was "false". As for the rest of your hyperbole... 'Nuff said

I can find images on google that depict Jews controlling the entire world.
Well if it's on google it has to be true.

This is your logic in case you don't get it.

More hyperbole

But you just whined about the fight being unfair.
Every time someone takes you by your word you retreat and whine about hyperbole.
Pretty much shows that you have no argument whatsoever.

And sieg heil to you too.

Explain yourself till tomorrow or get reported.

you can call yourselves micky mouse, it does that make you a rodent?

Yes i am aware of the claims of your tribal ancestry

So you decide how Jews are categorised?
I thought people were free to do that to themselves.

Or aren't we people?

Nope, not wrong


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If Americans Knew - What every American needs to know about Israel/Palestine

Oh look it's the same picture as before, but now in black and white. That seems like it was in a book, it has to be true!

 

[Shad]

The Palestinian People should not be defined by Hamas, a terrorist, fundamentalist organization, anymore than the People of Israel should be defined by their own fundamentalist extremists.

Umm Hamas was elected to office in Gaza. It runs Gaza....

 

[ChristineM]

In the last episode with Gaza Iranian made Fajr-5 rockets reached as far as Tel Aviv and Jerusalem.
These things are 1500kg heavy, 6,485m long and have a 90kg warhead.
Those rockets are loaded with a crane for crying out loud.
Home made? Sure.

And how do you know they were fajr5 did you take a look at the id plate or is it just a claim?

So you agree that it is just a claim and not supported by any evidence.

Good.

I have never said it was anything else so stop doing a jig

Like all the other claims of rape worldwide that can never be proven. One simply has to take the multiple similar claims and weigh them against the situation.

Why? We Jews generally try to shelter our children from harm.
Perhaps it's different for Gentiles. Or perhaps it's just a trend in Gaza.

I wouldn't do it. But perhaps I am weird.

There goes the ignorant hyperbole again
Al-Fakhura school incident - Wikipedia

Ah yes ignore the context. Great style.

What context?

I wrote about guns and rifles.
I wasn't aware that the Jericho pistols and Tavor rifles are US made.

So nice of you ignoring my post.

Perhaps you have problems reading, go back and try again

I can find images on google that depict Jews controlling the entire world.
Well if it's on google it has to be true.

This is your logic in case you don't get it.

You are funny when you switch your hyperbole on and ad a little ad hominem

But you just whined about the fight being unfair.
Every time someone takes you by your word you retreat and whine about hyperbole.
Pretty much shows that you have no argument whatsoever.

Bull and you know it.

Explain yourself till tomorrow or get reported.

You accused me, i quote "Hey listen up Göring/Lueger,
I retaliated in kind .You dont like the results of your abuse then surely you know the answer? Feel free to report, i wilwi again, act in kind. Waiting

So you decide how Jews are categorised?
I thought people were free to do that to themselves.

Or aren't we people?

More hyperbole, It's amazing the claims people make when they are ignorant of fact

Oh look it's the same picture as before, but now in black and white. That seems like it was in a book, it has to be true!

Actually not the same picture if you bothered to look. Several sources are privy to the information Israel doesn't want people to see.

 

[Shad]

And how do you know they were fajr5 did you take a look at the id plate or is it just a claim?

It was in the news and even left-leaning sites like Huffington Post and Guardian wrote about it. Heck Hamas bragged about using it... Remember what I said about your research skills......

Fajr-5 missile gives Palestinians rare if short-lived advantage

 

[ChristineM]

It was in the news and even left-leaning sites like Huffington Post and Guardian wrote about it. Heck Hamas bragged about using it... Remember what I said about your research skills......

Fajr-5 missile gives Palestinians rare if short-lived advantage

Rare and short lived, thanks

 

[Stevicus]

No you don't understand. It is exactly what would happen. It is what they fantasize about every single day.
It doesn't matter what average Mahmoud in some small village thinks, it matters what the ones with the weapons think.
And they want blood.
The reason they don't get what they want is the IDF.

It is not even remotely like anything that happened in the USA.

People are people wherever you go. If you treat them well, they'll respond well. If you treat them badly, then they tend to get nasty. This is especially true if you treat someone a certain way because they're the "wrong" race, religion, ethnic group, or whatever. That's what I understand. Is it really that difficult to figure out?

Don't get me wrong. I think you're defending your position quite well, and I think there's enough blame to go around - multiple parties are at fault, even including our own government. But what I can't understand is why it's so difficult for you to fathom why many people are questioning and opposing the current policies.

I've noticed in many discussions about this issue that a lot of people respond indignantly, like they've got some chip on their shoulder, as if they're completely oblivious to the reasons why rational, ethical people might oppose the situation at hand. That says something, you know?

Do you even care about human beings?

What are you talking about?

You brought up the Romans, so what were you talking about?

 

[Shaul]

Once again irrelevant to the thread

It was you that said “It is not egypt stealing land and massacring people”.
I posted a reference that shows Egypt is massacring people it was totally relevant with what you brought up.

 

[Shaul]

Citing the Bible and Quran is hardly going to convince the millions who think both books are pernicious lies.

But that isn’t necessary since I posted it for the purpose to refute poster Lyndon who falsely claimed something the Bible did not say.

As for those that think the Bible and Quran are “pernicious lies”[sic], I don’t feel any need to argue with fools.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Does the reason matter when the result is the same?

Of course it does. Understanding the nuances of the situation helps us not engage in black-and-white thinking. It also helps to clear the air with all the propaganda flying around at the moment. Portraying the Arab aggressors as victims plays into their hands by making Israel out to be this big bad colonial entity which has no right nor reason to be there in the first place

It is sufficient for me

Hmm. Convenient.

Right, of that makes you happy

It does not. I'd rather there wasn't any evil but it is an imperfect universe.

Egypt? According to the bible.
Seems to be a common occurrence.

The Bible isn't a history book and holds no veracity with me as I'm not of an Abrahamic tradition. Saying the Jews should found a country in Egypt isn't solving the problem; you're just changing the location.

How about if some wondering tramp set up home on your garden and said "thats mine"

Jews being analogous to 'tramps' now. Hmm.

Poor analogy; Israel wasn't founded by homeless people - it was founded a) because the Jewish settlers wanted to govern themselves as opposed to being under yet another Arab/Islamic tyranny where they'd end up being second-class citizens; and b) because recent events had made it abundantly clear the Jews could no longer rely on the Gentiles for their protection or well-being.

it is not your prerogative to dictate what sort of government another country employs.

But it is my prerogative to make educated guesses based on currently observably patterns. The fact remains that Arab countries do not govern themselves freely, fairly or well a lot of the time.

Why are you making things up? None of them exist. Or include the america, much of europe and russia, much of the antipodese as chrostianland.

I was using 'Hinduland' and 'Islamland' in a non-facetious context to mean 'country where the native religion still flourishes and is protected'. Israel would fit this description for Judaism.

Well Netanyahoo is pretty much a fascist, there's no doubt about that.

The Palestinian cause has direct links to the Third Reich but you just keep on with this anti-Semitic bull**** about how the Israelis are Nazis.

read you Quran, arabs came from Abrahams illegitimate son

Okay for real, why do you keep citing holy books as if they're accredited history books? They're not.

 

[ChristineM]

It was you that said “It is not egypt stealing land and massacring people”.
I posted a reference that shows Egypt is massacring people it was totally relevant with what you brought up.

How is it relevant to the Israel/Palestine situation.

We were not discussing the Palestinian/Egypt situation.

 

[ChristineM]

Of course it does. Understanding the nuances of the situation helps us not engage in black-and-white thinking. It also

And helps you excuse the side you are rooting for of exactly the same thing you condem the other side for.

Hmm. Convenient.

Yes

It does not. I'd rather there wasn't any evil but it is an imperfect universe.

It is.

The Bible isn't a history book and holds no veracity with me as I'm not of an Abrahamic tradition. Saying the Jews should found a country in Egypt isn't solving the problem; you're just changing the location.

It is surprising the percentage of the population would disagree.

And changing the location would cause exactly the same situation.

Jews being analogous to 'tramps' now. Hmm.

Dont start the Flankerl hyperbole, it doesnt look good on you.

But it is my prerogative to make educated guesses based on currently observably patterns. The fact remains that Arab countries do not govern themselves freely, fairly or well a lot of the time.

Again, it is not your prerogative do dictate the government on another country.

I was using 'Hinduland' and 'Islamland' in a non-facetious context to mean 'country where the native religion still flourishes and is protected'. Israel would fit this description for Judaism.

If thats how you want to justify it to yourself its up to you.

 

[pearl]

Umm Hamas was elected to office in Gaza. It runs Gaza....

Yes, it was a protest vote, they were not expected to win.

 

[Shad]

Yes, it was a protest vote, they were not expected to win.

No it wasn't.