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[Ben Dhyan]

No, that is not what the word 'God' means and you know it.
This is beyond silly.

There are as many meanings as to what the reality represented by the concept God is, as there are people. Ultimate reality though is not less than all that exists, call it what you will, God, Nirvana, Tao, Brahman, Universal Oneness, All That Is, etc., etc..

 

[SkepticThinker]

Seems everything I've explained is lost on you. Conceptual reality is made of brain synapse firing patterns that is meant to represent reality, but the reality of religious training deals in the actual reality that has nothing to do with thought. So any and all conceptualization about this teaching is not evidence, only experience will suffice, and that, even if you were willing, would take perhaps the rest of your life in solitude meditating on ending thought.

I just said back to you, what you've said to me in this thread. Sorry, but no matter how many times you say it, that's not evidence. It's just an endlessly circular argument.

You're basically just conceding that you don't have any evidence. All you've got are a bunch of claims. And some derision thrown in, to boot. Sorry, but it's not my problem that you can't demonstrate the veracity of your claims, but perhaps you can begin to understand why I don't accept them.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I just said back to you, what you've said to me in this thread. Sorry, but no matter how many times you say it, that's not evidence. It's just an endlessly circular argument.

You're basically just conceding that you don't have any evidence. All you've got are a bunch of claims. And some derision thrown in, to boot. Sorry, but it's not my problem that you can't demonstrate the veracity of your claims, but perhaps you can begin to understand why I don't accept them.

It is understood that you don't understand, and that this not understanding is due to mind conditioning. Yes, it is true that many theists have a religious belief due to mind conditioning, but it is also true that many atheists disbelieve in all religions due to mind conditioning.

 

[SkepticThinker]

It is understood that you don't understand, and that this not understanding is due to mind conditioning. Yes, it is true that many theists have a religious belief due to mind conditioning, but it is also true that many atheists disbelieve in all religions due to mind conditioning.

Yes, of course. The reason you can't provide any evidence for your claims is because I've been mind conditioned.

Sure thing.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Yes, of course. The reason you can't provide any evidence for your claims is because I've been mind conditioned.

Sure thing.

All atheists are mind conditioned, anyone who seriously contemplates their own awareness finds it exists in an underlying awareness which can lead to an out of body experience if practiced. Can't you see how silly it is for atheists to demand objective evidence when clearly the real evidence is an actual direct experience, not some physical event carried out in a lab.

Here's an old video that you may have seen, read between the lines and the scientist is suggesting two things in the last part of the video, the first is that there is one field in the universe, a unified field, and second, the reason that the LHC is not getting the results expected is that the universe is probably alive and aware. Now clearly he could not publicly state this because atheistic science believes the universe is not alive or aware, and his career would be ended, so he leaves it up to you the viewer to draw your own conclusions.

 

[Subduction Zone]

All atheists are mind conditioned, anyone who seriously contemplates their own awareness finds it exists in an underlying awareness which can lead to an out of body experience if practiced. Can't you see how silly it is for atheists to demand objective evidence when clearly the real evidence is an actual direct experience, not some physical event carried out in a lab.

Here's an old video that you may have seen, read between the lines and the scientist is suggesting two things in the last part of the video, the first is that there is one field in the universe, a unified field, and second, the reason that the LHC is not getting the results expected is that the universe is probably alive and aware. Now clearly he could not publicly state this because atheistic science believes the universe is not alive or aware, and his career would be ended, so he leaves it up to you the viewer to draw your own conclusions.

LOL!

" Anyone can do this . "

Alright. Here are some reasonable conditions so that we can tell that you are doing what you claim to be doing. So do it"

"Well not when you are watching"

 

[Ben Dhyan]

LOL!

" Anyone can do this . "

Alright. Here are some reasonable conditions so that we can tell that you are doing what you claim to be doing. So do it"

"Well not when you are watching"

More evidence that there is an undelying oneness to the universe. In today's news...
Breakthrough in nuclear fusion energy announced
Breakthrough in nuclear fusion energy announced

So if electrons can be turned into neutrons and protons (up and down quarks), these different particles must be all constituted of some underlying common essence/substance, what is it?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

LOL!

" Anyone can do this . "

Alright. Here are some reasonable conditions so that we can tell that you are doing what you claim to be doing. So do it"

"Well not when you are watching"

No no no........no one wants you to believe something that can not be proven!

You are given instructions as to how you can prove it, if you decline because it is against Atheist's beliefs to meditate, then please abide by your beliefs. But don't claim you were not given instructions on how to obtain the evidence through experience.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No no no........no one wants you to believe something that can not be proven!

You are given instructions as to how you can prove it, if you decline because it is against Atheist's beliefs to meditate, then please abide by your beliefs. But don't claim you were not given instructions on how to obtain the evidence through experience.

No, that is not the way that it works. You said that it can be done. If that is the case the burden of proof is upon you. When others cannot replicate your work you will just claim "You did not do it right". even if they followed your instructions. That is why you need to demonstrate that it can be done.

So far no one has succeeded that I know of.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

No, that is not the way that it works. You said that it can be done. If that is the case the burden of proof is upon you. When others cannot replicate your work you will just claim "You did not do it right". even if they followed your instructions. That is why you need to demonstrate that it can be done.

So far no one has succeeded that I know of.

Others have already had spiritual experiences through meditation, I am only following their instructions, and can vouch for it being effective wrt spiritual unfoldment. It is not my mission to get others to follow, but if someone wants evidence, it is only proper to provide them with instructions that worked for me. There is no burden of proof on anyone, who cares what you want or don't want, it's your life, do with it what you will.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Others have already had spiritual experiences through meditation, I am only following their instructions, and can vouch for it being effective wrt spiritual unfoldment. It is not my mission to get others to follow, but if someone wants evidence, it is only proper to provide them with instructions that worked for me. There is no burden of proof on anyone, who cares what you want or don't want, it's your life, do with it what you will.

People can be easily fooled and "see" what they want to see. That is why that does not work as evidence. If you claim that you can do something you need to be able to do it.

Tell me, if I followed your instructions and failed would that refute your claims?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

People can be easily fooled and "see" what they want to see. That is why that does not work as evidence. If you claim that you can do something you need to be able to do it.

Tell me, if I followed your instructions and failed would that refute your claims?

No, the universe and myself are one reality, but if someone imagines they are a separate entity from the universe, that is their belief, it's their life and it's ok with me.

Btw, I attach a letter from a friend of mine to the Dr Tong of the Quantum Fields video I posted #285, he has looked at the universal unity understanding most of his life, perhaps you will find it interesting?

 

[Subduction Zone]

No, the universe and myself are one reality, but if someone imagines they are a separate entity from the universe, that is their belief, it's their life and it's ok with me.

Btw, I attach a letter from a friend of mine to the Dr Tong of the Quantum Fields video I posted #285, he has looked at the universal unity understanding most of his life, perhaps you will find it interesting?

And how do you think that helps you?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

And how do you think that helps you?

It discusses the underlying oneness of the universe, which atheists sfaik do not believe. Did you note in the my post above concerning the fusion news, and it appears as though the essential energy of the electron is the same as that of quarks, and thus protons, and thus all atoms. I would say it is the same essence as space itself, only different densities determine any one universal particle from which all existence is created. Even a black hole would be made of this essence, but at a very high density, gravity must 'crush' all particles.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It discusses the underlying oneness of the universe, which atheists sfaik do not believe. Did you note in the my post above concerning the fusion news, and it appears as though the essential energy of the electron is the same as that of quarks, and thus protons, and thus all atoms. I would say it is the same essence as space itself, only different densities determine any one universal particle from which all existence is created. Even a black hole would be made of this essence, but at a very high density, gravity must 'crush' all particles.

It looked like a letter that he would delete. I do not think that helps your case.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

It looked like a letter that he would delete. I do not think that helps your case.

I don't have a case, I am whom I am, I am not merely a mortal ego self, my essence in infinite and eternal. Those who do not understand really what and who they are die as a result of their belief they were their body. A soul that is liberated from the belief, and has identified with the universal self, does not end at the death of the body.

As an atheist you think you are only your body, you only have a short time to get your act together because the sands of time are falling through the hour glass as we speak.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I don't have a case, I am whom I am, I am not merely a mortal ego self, my essence in infinite and eternal. Those who do not understand really what and who they are die as a result of their belief they were their body. A soul that is liberated from the belief, and has identified with the universal self, does not end at the death of the body.

As an atheist you think you are only your body, you only have a short time to get your act together because the sands of time are falling through the hour glass as we speak.

You do not seem to understand. You appear to be following a false narrative. Most atheists reasonably want to be correct as often as possible. How does one do that? By following the evidence. You have claims, but you have no evidence. Why should anyone believe you?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

You do not seem to understand. You appear to be following a false narrative. Most atheists reasonably want to be correct as often as possible. How does one do that? By following the evidence. You have claims, but you have no evidence. Why should anyone believe you?

You are not deceiving anyone, you just pretend you don't understand that the experience is the proof, and demand to have the proof of the experience without having the experience.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You are not deceiving anyone, you just pretend you don't understand that the experience is the proof, and demand to have the proof of the experience without having the experience.

No, I know that your silly "experience" is bogus when it comes to evidence. It is a fact that such experiences are not reliable because results are nowhere near consistent. You made claims and then scampered away from them, which indicates that even you know that your claimed experience was false.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

No, I know that your silly "experience" is bogus when it comes to evidence. It is a fact that such experiences are not reliable because results are nowhere near consistent. You made claims and then scampered away from them, which indicates that even you know that your claimed experience was false.

Adolescent boy A: Kissing girls is really fun
Adolescent boy Z: Where is the evidence of your claim?
Adolescent boy A: It is in the kissing, you have to kiss the girl to have the evidence of a fun experience.
Adolescent boy Z: I know your silly "experience" claim is bogus when it comes to evidence, you know your fun kissing claim is false.

Just like you must kiss the girl to have the evidence of the fun experience, you must meditate to experience transcendence.