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[SkepticThinker]

I see that he is an anesthesiologist. How does that make him an expert in quantum physics? This sounds like it is only quantum woo woo. Where are his peer reviewed papers? Why should anyone give him any credibility at all when this is far outside his area of expertise in both medicine and physics?

Beat me to it! I was waiting for some attempt at quantum physics woo-woo to make an appearance in this discussion. And here we are!

 

[SkepticThinker]

Wow, 60,321, that's another 11 posts of no value to any serious student, but to you it is your life's work. I suppose as long as you feel it's an accomplishment, good luck. I can feel the excitement as the number goes up each post.

Wait a minute, I think your not-so-veiled insults have finally convinced us all that you are right! Congratulations, you should have started in on the insults much sooner and saved us all the time. Those are some amazing debate skills you've got there.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Wow, 60,321, that's another 11 posts of no value to any serious student, but to you it is your life's work. I suppose as long as you feel it's an accomplishment, good luck. I can feel the excitement as the number goes up each post.

No, I do not refer to my number of posts in any debate. Why would I? Now you might do that. I have not seen you do it. But I do know that some think that the number of their posts are evidence. I have merely pointed out the obvious. A person that is well outside his area of expertise whose work is not well accepted is very very poor evidence. Why is this so hard to understand? You only believe because he is saying something that you like. Not because he can support his claims. He does not appear to be a serious source.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Again, that same question can also be applied to God(s).

There's been an increasing number of cosmologists who tend to think that we are part of a multiverse, but then the question still remains who or what created that?

Not really, if there was no beginning, God did not come from nothing, God/Existence is eternal, no beginning and no end, it is perfectly logical. What is illogical is to imagine there was a beginning to existence. All manifest things have beginnings, but the unmanifested spirit that is the cause of all creation, preservation, and destruction in time, always existed.

Yes, a multiverse is just a universe of universes, 'uni' being Latin for one, there is only one God, one existence in which creation takes place,

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Wait a minute, I think your not-so-veiled insults have finally convinced us all that you are right! Congratulations, you should have started in on the insults much sooner and saved us all the time. Those are some amazing debate skills you've got there.

There is no debate, atheists so not understand what and who they really are, you can post another 50,000 comments denying it, but the truth is that at a deeper level, a God given level, your soul knows the truth and there is this inner debate within atheists that never ends. So don't take it out on religious folk who know the truth, just go within and your inner light will dissolve the error of the terrified deceived atheistic ego.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

No, I do not refer to my number of posts in any debate. Why would I? Now you might do that. I have not seen you do it. But I do know that some think that the number of their posts are evidence. I have merely pointed out the obvious. A person that is well outside his area of expertise whose work is not well accepted is very very poor evidence. Why is this so hard to understand? You only believe because he is saying something that you like. Not because he can support his claims. He does not appear to be a serious source.

Atheists are terrified of reality, terrified of God, and thus spend so much time and energy trying to refute, argue against, or denigrate the truth bringers, those whose life's mission is religiously inspired. That is why you are obsessed in this compulsive posting process, for although you claim you do not believe there is a higher power, at a deeper spiritual level the truth is known. It is a very sad state oof affairs for the atheist, for they spend so much time and energy on forums such as this trying find relief from the inner dissonance of knowing the truth at one level and not knowing at the eternal ego level. Why this comes about is clearly due to some earlier life conditioning, perhaps guilt and the resulting fear of divine punishment for it. Fear not, karma is not a punishment, it is a teacher, once one lesson has been learned, it's over forever, God is forgiving but a stern teacher.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

And you imagine that things like spirits, satan and gods exist and assert such to atheists, without being able to provide any evidence at all.
So, yeah. Why should we (or anybody) accept your claims? Because as I said, atheists are just people who aren't convinced that god(s) exist.

Fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, it seems you are not yet in the starting blocks. You fear alright, but your fear arises from the inner knowing that there is a creator of all manifested things, not the ego mind which denies a creator exists. You are its expression yet you deny its existence, sad.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Atheists are terrified of reality, terrified of God, and thus spend so much time and energy trying to refute, argue against, or denigrate the truth bringers, those whose life's mission is religiously inspired. That is why you are obsessed in this compulsive posting process, for although you claim you do not believe there is a higher power, at a deeper spiritual level the truth is known. It is a very sad state oof affairs for the atheist, for they spend so much time and energy on forums such as this trying find relief from the inner dissonance of knowing the truth at one level and not knowing at the eternal ego level. Why this comes about is clearly due to some earlier life conditioning, perhaps guilt and the resulting fear of divine punishment for it. Fear not, karma is not a punishment, it is a teacher, once one lesson has been learned, it's over forever, God is forgiving but a stern teacher.

Please. let's try to back up claims with evidence. I could make the same weak claims about theists. I could say that they cannot be decent people without the threat of punishment.

Right now it just looks as if you are angry because others do not take your unsupported beliefs seriously.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Beat me to it! I was waiting for some attempt at quantum physics woo-woo to make an appearance in this discussion. And here we are!

Atheists have such a simple approach to truth, deny it. It doesn't work, it makes you angry that the light of God touches all things and the truth revealed. There is darkness too, good and evil, some darkened souls have their part to play. But this duality is maya, God is one and eventually all lost souls find peace, in their own source, it is just a matter of experience.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Please. let's try to back up claims with evidence. I could make the same weak claims about theists. I could say that they cannot be decent people without the threat of punishment.

Right now it just looks as if you are angry because others do not take your unsupported beliefs seriously.

How do you know the reality represented by the concept of God does not exist? Where is your evidence? Please provide evidence or accept that you are in denial of the truth of the source of your being.

 

[Subduction Zone]

How do you know the reality represented by the concept of God does not exist? Where is your evidence? Please provide evidence or accept that you are in denial of the truth of the source of your being.

Were did I say or imply that it does not exist? It appears that you do not even understand what atheism is in the first place. Why do you think that I need evidence? You are trying to attack a strawman, probably because you cannot provide the burden of proof for your beleifs.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Were did I say or imply that it does not exist? It appears that you do not even understand what atheism is in the first place. Why do you think that I need evidence? You are trying to attack a strawman, probably because you cannot provide the burden of proof for your beleifs.

Since you identify with "Atheist" as your religion on your posting profile, one presumed you did not believe that God existed. But I have seen where it can mean the person can believe in the existence of God, but consciously and deliberately opposes the authority of God. So is SZ the latter?

Ok, I accept that if you never implied God didn't exist then obviously there is no call for you to provide evidence that God doesn't exist.

Lastly, to clear any doubt, can you say clearly that you accept that God does exist?




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism#cite_note-60

 

[Subduction Zone]

Since you identify with "Atheist" as your religion on your posting profile, one presumed you did not believe that God existed. But I have seen where it can mean the person can believe in the existence of God, but consciously and deliberately opposes the authority of God. So is SZ the latter?

Ok, I accept that if you never implied God didn't exist then obviously there is no call for you to provide evidence that God doesn't exist.

Lastly, to clear any doubt, can you say clearly that you accept that God does exist?

You worded that poorly. In fact your wording indicates that you do not think that God exists any longer.

But no, atheism is a lack of belief in a God. That is not necessarily the same as believing that a God does not exist. And no, it is impossible to oppose God if one lacks a belief in God. You are not reasoning logically.

And no. Why would I accept that God does exist? You are not making any sense.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

You worded that poorly. In fact your wording indicates that you do not think that God exists any longer.

But no, atheism is a lack of belief in a God. That is not necessarily the same as not believing in a God. And no, it is impossible to oppose God if one lacks a belief in God. You are not reasoning logically.

And no. Why would I accept that God does exist? You are not making any sense.

So please explain SZ exactly what you mean in saying that a lack of belief in a God is not the necessarily the same as not believing in a God?

Does a lack of belief in God mean there is a tiny bit of belief in God, but lacks total belief?

 

[Subduction Zone]

So please explain SZ exactly what you mean in saying that a lack of belief in a God is not the necessarily the same as not believing in a God?

Does a lack of belief in God mean there is a tiny bit of belief in God, but lacks total belief?

My bad. I am sorry. I did word that poorly. Let me try again. Lacking a belief in God is not the same as believing that God does not exist.

There is that better. If you need that explained I can do so. And to avoid confusion I will edit that, but these posts and your original quote will still be there.

That may have been Muphry's Law in action.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

My bad. I am sorry. I did word that poorly. Let me try again. Lacking a belief in God is not the same as believing that God does not exist.

There is that better. If you need that explained I can do so. And to avoid confusion I will edit that, but these posts and your original quote will still be there.

That may have been Muphry's Law in action.

So you as an atheist lack belief in God, but do not believe that God does not exist?

So what do you call someone who does believe God does not exist, if not an atheist?

 

[Subduction Zone]

So you as an atheist lack belief in God, but do not believe that God does not exist?

So what do you call someone who does believe God does not exist, if not an atheist?

That would be an atheist too. Atheism is a "big tent" just as theism it. Do all theist believe in the Christian God?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

That would be an atheist too. Atheism is a "big tent" just as theism it. Do all theist believe in the Christian God?

So what is the difference between the God you lack belief in, and the God some atheists do not believe in?

 

[Subduction Zone]

So what is the difference between the God you lack belief in, and the God some atheists do not believe in?

What? Now this makes no sense. It is up to believers to define their gods. I lack a belief in gods so I cannot logically define them.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

What? Now this makes no sense. It is up to believers to define their gods. I lack a belief in gods so I cannot logically define them.

I do not understand, I also may lack belief in a god based on the reality meant to represent that god if it is not credible to my understanding, but I can't lack belief in a god for which there is no description, there is no god that I am aware of whose followers do not have some description.