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USA Death Penalty

Secret Chief

Very strong language
Death by nitrogen....possibly...

"Kenneth Eugene Smith is set to become the first person in the US to be executed by nitrogen gas.

The UN's High Commissioner for Human Rights last week said the never-before-used method could amount to torture or other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment, and called for a halt.

Medical experts and campaigners have warned about the risk of catastrophic mishaps, ranging from violent convulsions to survival in a vegetative state, and even the possibility of gas leaking from the mask and killing others in the room, including Mr Smith's religious advocate.

Dr Joel Zivot, an associate professor in anaesthesiology at Emory University's School of Medicine, accused the Alabama authorities of a "terrible" track record of "cruel" executions.

In 1996 a jury recommended life in prison without parole for Smith, but the judge overruled them and sentenced him to death. At his trial he admitted to being present when the victim was killed, but says he did not take part in the attack."

- Death penalty: Kenneth Eugene Smith says wait for untested execution like 'torture'

Context:

More than a third of executions in the US this year were botched or highly problematic, according to a new report.

"Michael Benza, a law professor at Case Western Reserve University who has represented death row inmates, told the BBC that the primary reason for execution failures was "using a medical model of executions, lethal injection, but not using medical people to carry it out"."

- A third of US executions botched in 2022 - report


Thoughts?
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
I have long opposed the death penalty as there's other forms of punishment, plus ignores the fact that people may be rehabilitated.

What strikes me as hypocrisy is that so many Christians are for the death penalty and yet Jesus not only talked about redemption but also said "Let he whom is without sin cast the first stone" when a woman was about to be stoned for prostitution.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
My thoughts are that 1) botched or not, the death penalty is a moral and legal failure that needs to go, and 2) there is significant evidence that rehabilitative justice reduces recidivism far more than retributive "justice" does.

The death penalty is irreversible, and any enterprise or institution overseen by humans is bound to be flawed. I don't think such a flawed institution should have the power to take a human life.
 

Bthoth

Well-Known Member
My thoughts are that 1) botched or not, the death penalty is a moral and legal failure that needs to go, and 2) there is significant evidence that rehabilitative justice reduces recidivism far more than retributive "justice" does.

The death penalty is irreversible, and any enterprise or institution overseen by humans is bound to be flawed. I don't think such a flawed institution should have the power to take a human life.
I do like the idea of rehabilitation as people can change/evolve/ grow up.

But some atrocities are too horrid to forgive and nothing undoes any atrocity. The damage lives within the population.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
Death by nitrogen....possibly...

"Kenneth Eugene Smith is set to become the first person in the US to be executed by nitrogen gas.

The UN's High Commissioner for Human Rights last week said the never-before-used method could amount to torture or other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment, and called for a halt.

Medical experts and campaigners have warned about the risk of catastrophic mishaps, ranging from violent convulsions to survival in a vegetative state, and even the possibility of gas leaking from the mask and killing others in the room, including Mr Smith's religious advocate.

Dr Joel Zivot, an associate professor in anaesthesiology at Emory University's School of Medicine, accused the Alabama authorities of a "terrible" track record of "cruel" executions.

In 1996 a jury recommended life in prison without parole for Smith, but the judge overruled them and sentenced him to death. At his trial he admitted to being present when the victim was killed, but says he did not take part in the attack."

- Death penalty: Kenneth Eugene Smith says wait for untested execution like 'torture'

Context:

More than a third of executions in the US this year were botched or highly problematic, according to a new report.

"Michael Benza, a law professor at Case Western Reserve University who has represented death row inmates, told the BBC that the primary reason for execution failures was "using a medical model of executions, lethal injection, but not using medical people to carry it out"."

- A third of US executions botched in 2022 - report


Thoughts?
That the US still has the death penalty says a lot about the country.
 

McBell

Unbound
I have long opposed the death penalty as there's other forms of punishment, plus ignores the fact that people may be rehabilitated.

What strikes me as hypocrisy is that so many Christians are for the death penalty and yet Jesus not only talked about redemption but also said "Let he whom is without sin cast the first stone" when a woman was about to be stoned for prostitution.
There would be no Christianity without the death penalty.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
Yep, justice will prevail.

Justice is perhaps one of the greatest cultural foundations of US.
But it doesn't reduce the murder rate, and if your courts are anything like the UK, you'll have hung/gassed/killed a lot of innocent people.
Come on the US scrap it and join the 20th Century.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
I am against death penalty but...
there are certain criminals who love to commit crimes. Mobsters, serial killers and other people who are just evil.
If I think of the mob...it's like a cancer that needs to be eradicated.
And what do you do with cancer? You kill the cancerous cells.
 

Secret Chief

Very strong language
But it doesn't reduce the murder rate, and if your courts are anything like the UK, you'll have hung/gassed/killed a lot of innocent people.
Come on the US scrap it and join the 20th Century.
"Since 1973, 196 former death-row prisoners have been exonerated of all charges related to the wrongful convictions that had put them on death row."

- Innocence
 

Bthoth

Well-Known Member

Secret Chief

Very strong language
Yep, justice will prevail.

Justice is perhaps one of the greatest cultural foundations of US.

What if "justice" gets it wrong? Back from the dead, an innocent person?

"Glynn Simmons, a 71-year-old man who spent nearly 50 years in prison for murder, has been exonerated, making him the longest serving inmate to be declared innocent of a crime. Simmons was declared innocent and released in July after prosecutors agreed that key evidence in his case was not turned over to his defense lawyers. Simmons has maintained his innocence, saying he was in Louisiana at the time of the 1974 slaying of Carolyn Sue Rogers inside an Edmond liquor store. He and co-defendant Don Roberts were both convicted in 1975 of the murder and initially sentenced to death."

- Longest Serving Inmate to Be Declared Innocent Exonerated After 50 Years in Prison - The Crime Report
 

Bthoth

Well-Known Member
What if "justice" gets it wrong? Back from the dead, an innocent person?
Just like in war.
"Glynn Simmons, a 71-year-old man who spent nearly 50 years in prison for murder, has been exonerated, making him the longest serving inmate to be declared innocent of a crime. Simmons was declared innocent and released in July after prosecutors agreed that key evidence in his case was not turned over to his defense lawyers. Simmons has maintained his innocence, saying he was in Louisiana at the time of the 1974 slaying of Carolyn Sue Rogers inside an Edmond liquor store. He and co-defendant Don Roberts were both convicted in 1975 of the murder and initially sentenced to death."

- Longest Serving Inmate to Be Declared Innocent Exonerated After 50 Years in Prison - The Crime Report
It happens but at least the truth did unfold eventually.

I trust people are good and capable but errors do happen.

See covid vaccinations for a perfect example of imperfections.
 
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