See global warming. tough on all of us.
See the israel apartheid, tough on all of us.
Lots of errors and all over the world. Perfection is impossible.
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USA Death Penalty
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See the israel apartheid, tough on all of us.
Lots of errors and all over the world. Perfection is impossible.
Evidence of imperfections.
but here in the USA most people sleep at night because of natural justice of it's citizens applying the foundations.
It's not even a matter of rehabilitation. The US executes a lot of innocent people.
OK..... is that the reason to stop executing people? Or just the direction of the topic now?
Tamino
Active Member
My country has a lot of problems, but we mostly see the US as a template showing us what to avoid.
I am quite happy to live in a country that has abolished the death penalty and tightly controls guns. Our rates of murder and violent crime are significantly lower than in the US.
McBell
Unbound
Executed But Possibly Innocent
The Death Penalty Information Center is a non-profit organization serving the media and the public with analysis and information about capital punishment.…
McBell
Unbound
Ohio Plans to Execute a Man It Knows Is Innocent—Why?
Although no one doubted the accuracy of the DNA results, the supreme court decided that Apanovitch could not use them to prove his innocence. It cited a state law that said DNA could only be used in cases where the defendant requested the testing. The fact that Apanovitch could not have requested testing of evidence that the state had hidden from him didn’t matter.
No, that's really just what Americans tell each other.
PureX
Veteran Member
Why is it so damn hard to kill a person efficiently and painlessly? We put our pets down all the time without any problems. One injection, and that's that.
Do we have some secret desire to inflict pain on these people? Are our prison officials so incompetent that they can't administer a simple injection? Is the human body so miraculously resilient that it can defy a massive dose of fentanyl? I'm not understanding the problem.
As far as the practice of executing criminals, obviously we need to be very careful not to get it wrong, and we need to recognize that just having killed someone does not automatically justify execution. However, there are human beings on this planet that are so screwed up that they will torture and murder other humans beings UNTIL THEY ARE STOPPED. And they have shown us by their behavior that this is so (mass murderers, serial murderers, kidnap, rape, and torture murderers, as an example). I do not believe that we as a society should have to live with this constant and ongoing threat indefinitely. Especially when we cannot be certain that these people won't ever get loose and kill again, while we can be reasonably sure that IF they get loose, they WILL kill again. It seems to me that common sense and common decency dictates that we eliminate them from among us.
Do we have some secret desire to inflict pain on these people? Are our prison officials so incompetent that they can't administer a simple injection? Is the human body so miraculously resilient that it can defy a massive dose of fentanyl? I'm not understanding the problem.
As far as the practice of executing criminals, obviously we need to be very careful not to get it wrong, and we need to recognize that just having killed someone does not automatically justify execution. However, there are human beings on this planet that are so screwed up that they will torture and murder other humans beings UNTIL THEY ARE STOPPED. And they have shown us by their behavior that this is so (mass murderers, serial murderers, kidnap, rape, and torture murderers, as an example). I do not believe that we as a society should have to live with this constant and ongoing threat indefinitely. Especially when we cannot be certain that these people won't ever get loose and kill again, while we can be reasonably sure that IF they get loose, they WILL kill again. It seems to me that common sense and common decency dictates that we eliminate them from among us.
Secret Chief
Very strong language
...because vets are medically qualified. I wouldn't want the receptionist doing it.
Secret Chief
Very strong language
As well as the issues identified in my second link (incompetence, failures to follow protocol or defects in the protocols themselves) there is the matter of pharmaceutical companies (such as Pfizer) prohibiting the sale of their drugs for killing.
PureX
Veteran Member
It's hard to believe that we're THAT stupid. But I guess there is no bottom to our collective stupidity, anymore.
Secret Chief
Very strong language
Hey, don't shoot the messenger. Unless I've been found guilty.
I believe the existence of the institution of the death penalty reinforces other punitive components of our justice system. It's been observed that the punishment is more disproportionately deployed against ethnic minorities and other demographics that can be more easily demonized in absence of fact.
Bentham argued that the death penalty actually obstructed deterrence of future crimes because a jury does not want to sentence someone to death if they personally believe the punishment is extreme or if there is even a sliver of unreasonable doubt that the accused is guilty.
Bentham argued that the death penalty actually obstructed deterrence of future crimes because a jury does not want to sentence someone to death if they personally believe the punishment is extreme or if there is even a sliver of unreasonable doubt that the accused is guilty.
Just make them stand up against a wall and shoot them
How could that ever fail?
I don't get all these convoluted novel methods of execution they are unreliable
To me the traditional methods are best
Personally I'd want to be executed with a massive over-dose of opiates
How could that ever fail?
I don't get all these convoluted novel methods of execution they are unreliable
To me the traditional methods are best
Personally I'd want to be executed with a massive over-dose of opiates
It's becoming harder and harder for states with the death penalty to find both suppliers who are willing to sell euthanasia drugs to them and medical professionals who are willing to participate in an execution. Some of this comes down to ethics, some comes down to risk of legal liability.
There are some states that have decided to go full steam ahead with executions anyway, which has meant using untested methods and having unqualified people carry out the executions.
PureX
Veteran Member
I think we should stop with the whole idea of punishment for crime, and focus on it more as a societal security issue. It doesn't matter what the crime is, once a person shows themselves to be antithetical to the well being of the people among which they live, they need to be removed from among them. And not returned until they have shown that they can safely be returned.
That should not have to be the jury's decision to make.
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Secret Chief
Very strong language
Physically, unlikely. But what if it turned out they were innocent. Not unheard of is it?
- Birmingham Six - Wikipedia
Perhaps my wording was unclear.
In the view of Bentham, Jurors were less likely to find someone guilty if they believed the judge would sentence them to the death penalty than if the maximum punishment were a prison sentence.