Mr Cheese
Well-Known Member
Global recession is global recession
as someone wise often says to me....
"Why compare yourself to the worst, and not the best?"
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USA - The Good Samaritan
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Global recession is global recession
as someone wise often says to me....
"Why compare yourself to the worst, and not the best?"
Since 2002, 138 Canadian soldiers have died helping the United States in Afghanistan. Thousands of utility workers and emergency services personnel from Canada helped in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.
I think your perception is based more on the US-centric slant of American news coverage than it is on reality.
Sure... hit the brakes on the economy. See how well that works out for you.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Apparently, our Government hasn't read a history book on what partly caused Germany's own post WW1/pre WW2 economic collapse. But then again, America also has probably the worlds largest ego, so of course we can print unlimited money without consequence.:sarcastic
I have a very small understanding of economics, and how an economy works, but even I realize that rampant money printing, without having any real means to back it up, makes the currency depreciate in value. Maybe we shouldn't have went off the gold standard. Then at least their would be a check and balance to our government's over spending.
I have a very small understanding of economics, and how an economy works, but even I realize that rampant money printing, without having any real means to back it up, makes the currency depreciate in value. Maybe we shouldn't have went off the gold standard. Then at least their would be a check and balance to our government's over spending.
enchanted_one1975
Resident Lycanthrope
My point is that we are not in a position to help. We do not have the money we are spending. We already cannot afford our bills and we are making more bills. I guess it is okay though. I mean this assistance is only the equivalent of the combined bonuses given to 200 bank executives that only have jobs because we have already taken a cash advance in the amount of billions of dollars to give to private industry that doesn't know how to run it's own business. I mean, what's $100,000,000.00 more when we just gave billions to the banks and the auto makers? And for that matter, what's billions when we owe trillions? A drop in the bucket. It must be nice to not have a credit limit or monthly bill to worry about.
enchanted_one1975
Resident Lycanthrope
If we stop throwing money away it is not the same as hitting the brakes on the economy. If a family is struggling, are they doing wrong by making dinner at home instead of going out every night?
Here's the thing I wonder about with your argument: you say that there's not enough money to go around; fine. Why is it that you're suggesting that aid for Haiti is the thing that should get dropped to help balance the books?
Why are you arguing "we don't have enough money to help in Haiti" and not "we have to help in Haiti, so we don't have enough money for the whole auto industry bailout"?
enchanted_one1975
Resident Lycanthrope
The auto industry bailout never should have taken place. Neither should the bank bailouts. They are already done though. If we are going to draw a line somewhere it cannot be in the past. It has to be now or in the future.
Fine - pick some other program with unspent money. Why not cut that? Why is Haiti at the bottom of your list?
enchanted_one1975
Resident Lycanthrope
Haiti is not a program with unspent money. It is a place to throw money that we do not have. There is a big difference. This reminds me of my unemployed stepson that swears that if we put him on our Verizon contract that he will pay his part of the bill every month...with no income. If the money is not there it cannot be spent! Even those that do not understand economics should be able to understand that.
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
$100mil is not that much money.
Mr Cheese
Well-Known Member
Do you know the story of the widows mite?
America gives X amount to the world financially in charity...
in reality said amount is actually Y amount
whereas other countries give X amoiunt.
The point being the monetary value of Y amount, from USA may be greater than X amount in other countries, but it is still a smaller proportion of the value that USA could give...in effect america is only giving Y amount and never gives X amount....
because of people who think like you.....
selfishness is selfishness
America is still the richest country on the planet, with more million and billionaires than any country...
..........
We as a nation have more ability, more economic potential to emerge from debt, than Haiti which has just lost 500 thousand (not10 or 20 people, or the 3000 of 911...)....will ever have for the foreseeable future
again..look at the big picture
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Mr Cheese
Well-Known Member
as you rightly say, you dont understand economics...
there are things like potentials, investment, borrowing...
haiti is poor...it has no real way to produce, at least in comparison to the US
for all our troubles, we as a nation are far better off than Haiti will be, today, tomorrow and probably for decades to come
the GDP of Haiti is around 7 billion
the GDP of USA is around 14 Trillion
:sarcastic Even soemone who knows nothign about economics can see the two numbers are vastly different
enchanted_one1975
Resident Lycanthrope
I would like to see what kind of change is in your couch cushions. I know I don't have near that.
That doesn't automatically pay off our national debt and save our economy. The million and billionaires in this country wish to stay that way, and I don't blame them. Most of them worked hard for what they have and they would like to keep it. If those million and billionaires wish to send money to charity I will have no gripes. The issue is that when the US Government sends money that it does not have to any cause it is increasing its debt. Again, we do not have the money that we are spending on this! This is all on the equivalent of a high interest, high fee cash advance!
enchanted_one1975
Resident Lycanthrope
Oh, I am sorry. I didn't realize that we were loaning this money to Haiti as an investment potential. Every source I have seen said that we are giving this money (that we still do not have to give) for aid.
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
The only way that we'll pay our national debt is if we lose a war. That's it.
Worrying over a $100mil to Haitians is a bit silly. More than that in government money went just to bonuses for Wall Street financeers that ruined our economy.
No, but programs with unspent money are exactly what you talked about: drawing a line now or in the future.
Do you think the government of the United States has no income?
Your analogy doesn't quite work. You do have the money: it's future money, but it does exist. I agree that there's significant expense in taking that future money and using it today and I agree that this expense shouldn't be ignored, but sometimes it's worth the cost. I'd say that when tens or hundreds of thousands of lives hang in the balance is one of those times.
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
[QUOTE]Do you think the government of the United States has no income?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that's the funny thing.
The USA is not a failed state, no matter how hard the Republicans tried to destroy it.
The Democrats work hard for a balanced budget, and Republicans start wars that cost billions.
Here's something to complain about:
Yeah, that's the funny thing.
The USA is not a failed state, no matter how hard the Republicans tried to destroy it.
The Democrats work hard for a balanced budget, and Republicans start wars that cost billions.
Here's something to complain about:
According to the first source I could find by Google, there are 138 million taxpayers in the United States. On average, this spending would amount to less than a dollar per taxpayer. With the cost of borrowing, this might increase... let's say by a factor of two.I would like to see what kind of change is in your couch cushions. I know I don't have near that.
Are you really unwilling to pay two bucks to help save the lives of a huge number of people who were poor to begin with and are now in desparate need?
JMorris
Democratic Socialist
http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=haiti
read that (its far too long to post here) and then tell me how much the U.S. owes Haiti
http://www.historycommons.org/conte...he_2004_removal_of_jean-bertrand_aristide_605
read that (its far too long to post here) and then tell me how much the U.S. owes Haiti
http://www.historycommons.org/conte...he_2004_removal_of_jean-bertrand_aristide_605
enchanted_one1975
Resident Lycanthrope
Yes I am. Why? According to your own figure of 138 million taxpayers, I have already given hundreds of dollars to banks and auto manufacturers that do not know how to run their own businesses.
Lot's of people are in desperate need. When my fiance and kids were thrown out on the streets last winter they returned to their home state of Ohio to be by the rest of their family. (She was not my fiance at the time, just a friend.) The state would not give them food stamps because they had not been back for at least six months. Two minor children were not given food because they had been thrown out on the streets by a drug addicted, abusive man and they had not been residents in the state that they had all been born in for the past six months. THE CHARITY BEGINS AT HOME PEOPLE! We have starving children RIGHT HERE! We need to take care of OUR OWN problems before we get a huge cash advance to take care of someone else's problems!