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Vance and the childless cat ladies

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
I mean...Vance is a very nice guy...and humble.
But he has a big flaw...I mean... we only know what his big flaw is.
He is not single and available (LOL)...
just kidding.

At first I thought he was blaming millennial women for being childless and with a house filled with cats.
I mean... if it deals with the USA...he has a point.
But not as for Europe. Women are childless in my country because of men... not because of volition.

He has a point in the United States, where toxic feminism has produced misandry and the tendency to mistrust men and relationship with men.

Thoughts? ;)
 
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Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
I have the impression that American women tend to hate the male gender, because there's this fake narrative that men are all stalkers and obsessed with women. As if all men chased women 24/7.



I mean...that produces misandry.

But the funny thing is that men are hated in my country for the exact opposite reason. Because they get tired easily and abandon women...so they are selfish people who prefer to adore soccer than spending time with their own wife or girlfriend.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
This is Europe.
Women betrayed by the same womanizer who had sex with them and then disappeared because he is an...
EGOIST!
EGOIST!
EGOIST!
EGOIST!

 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
I am still baffled by the "impressions" you are getting of American culture given how far out of touch with the reality of things it is. Though, unfortunately, because women were stripped of basic human rights two years ago and any man who rapes her can force her into a temporary state of slavery, that has resulted in an increased distrust of anything with a penis for obvious reasons.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
I am still baffled by the "impressions" you are getting of American culture given how far out of touch with the reality of things it is. Though, unfortunately, because women were stripped of basic human rights two years ago and any man who rapes her can force her into a temporary state of slavery, that has resulted in an increased distrust of anything with a penis for obvious reasons.
Any generalization is simplistic and wrong: that was my point.
Because, thinking of a single anecdotal experience (my circle of friends) I could also generalize, by saying that men are all egoists who are allergic to commitment... and they are the exact opposite of stalkers and women-obsessed people.
Because all my female friends are unmarried and most of them are divorced...because their men dumped them (I have to use this expression, because men promise you eternal love and they disappear as if they had been abducted by ETs).

So...to conclude, generalizations can lead to single and childless women.
But in my country...I never listen of stories of women who hate men because they were stalked by them. They hate them because they were abandoned by them.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Stupid post in praise of a lying Christian Dominionist
who wants "America's Hitler" to be President.
I was not praising him for what he said.
I was just saying that his famous comment can be interpreted in multiple ways.
But I wish he never said that.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
I mean...Vance is a very nice guy...and humble.
But he has a big flaw...I mean... we only know what his big flaw is.
He is not single and available (LOL)...
just kidding.

At first I thought he was blaming millennial women for being childless and with a house filled with cats.
I mean... if it deals with the USA...he has a point.
But not as for Europe. Women are childless in my country because of men... not because of volition.

He has a point in the United States, where toxic feminism has produced misandrism and the tendency to mistrust men and relationship with men.

Thoughts? ;)

I'm not sure where Vance gets his ideas from, although the stats show that the marriage rate has declined in the U.S. over the past decades:


marriageratebydecadeusa.jpg


In my own situation, my parents were divorced when I was six years old, and during the 1970s and 80s, I saw so many marriages fail, leading me to the view that it's not really a commitment if the relationship can be so whimsically and frivolously disposed of (as it was with my own parents). I think a lot of men have a view about marriage where they ask "What's the point?" And women now have greater independence than they ever had before, so they have no compelling need to get married - although some might still want to get married for their own reasons.
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
It might be good to consider the part that economics play. Having a kid is expensive both monetarily, physically, mentally, emotionally, and takes a lot of time. In a country with expensive and sometimes inaccessible healthcare (even with insurance) where working a full time job doesn't guarantee financial stability, I can understand people choosing to not have a kid.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
I'm not sure where Vance gets his ideas from, although the stats show that the marriage rate has declined in the U.S. over the past decades:


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In my own situation, my parents were divorced when I was six years old, and during the 1970s and 80s, I saw so many marriages fail, leading me to the view that it's not really a commitment if the relationship can be so whimsically and frivolously disposed of (as it was with my own parents). I think a lot of men have a view about marriage where they ask "What's the point?" And women now have greater independence than they ever had before, so they have no compelling need to get married - although some might still want to get married for their own reasons.
The fundamental thing is that marriage has a very idealistic and romantic appeal, but it's really just a business agreement between two citizens and the state. There are benefits that married couples get from the state, like lower tax rates. Two people who are committed to each other don't need a marriage agreement, but will lose those benefits from the state.
 

Viker

Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
I mean...Vance is a very nice guy...and humble.
But he has a big flaw...I mean... we only know what his big flaw is.
He is not single and available (LOL)...
just kidding.

At first I thought he was blaming millennial women for being childless and with a house filled with cats.
I mean... if it deals with the USA...he has a point.
But not as for Europe. Women are childless in my country because of men... not because of volition.

He has a point in the United States, where toxic feminism has produced misandry and the tendency to mistrust men and relationship with men.

Thoughts? ;)
Thoughts?


You should really live here for a few years, get out and socialize with more Americans. The childless cat ladies he was denigrating are usually widows who've decided not to remarry. Or because of an abusive or neglectful former spouse/lover. Why should anyone be made to feel compelled to participate in something they don't wish to be a part of? Shaming others over their legit life choices does no one any good.

Signed by, A Childless Cat/Dog Lady
 

Viker

Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
It might be good to consider the part that economics play. Having a kid is expensive both monetarily, physically, mentally, emotionally, and takes a lot of time. In a country with expensive and sometimes inaccessible healthcare (even with insurance) where working a full time job doesn't guarantee financial stability, I can understand people choosing to not have a kid.
Spot on.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
The fundamental thing is that marriage has a very idealistic and romantic appeal, but it's really just a business agreement between two citizens and the state. There are benefits that married couples get from the state, like lower tax rates. Two people who are committed to each other don't need a marriage agreement, but will lose those benefits from the state.

Yes, the state encourages marriage because it leads to children and population growth, which means a larger pool of workers to exploit and more soldiers to conscript into the military. Vance's position seems to be that unmarried people without children have no stake in the system and no reason to care about the country's future. I don't agree with that position myself, although that appears to be the reasoning behind his remark.

And I've seen this attitude pervade throughout society, where unmarried men might be passed over for promotion or otherwise viewed as "suspect" in many people's eyes. I think that attitude has probably softened in more recent decades, though it still exists. It's a liability when running for public office, since the voters insist on people with spouses and families. Somehow, it seems to be a sign of emotional stability and makes voters trust them more.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Thoughts?


You should really live here for a few years, get out and socialize with more Americans. The childless cat ladies he was denigrating are usually widows who've decided not to remarry. Or because of an abusive or neglectful former spouse/lover. Why should anyone be made to feel compelled to participate in something they don't wish to be a part of? Shaming others over their legit life choices does no one any good.

Signed by, A Childless Cat/Dog Lady
He probably forgets that he is rich and can afford to raise children.
With the inflation nobody can afford to raise a child and having a cat is 10 times cheaper.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
It might be good to consider the part that economics play. Having a kid is expensive both monetarily, physically, mentally, emotionally, and takes a lot of time. In a country with expensive and sometimes inaccessible healthcare (even with insurance) where working a full time job doesn't guarantee financial stability, I can understand people choosing to not have a kid.
Yes...but he mentioned women only.
Not men.
That is why there was sexism involved.
 

Alien826

No religious beliefs
Any generalization is simplistic and wrong: that was my point.
Because, thinking of a single anecdotal experience (my circle of friends) I could also generalize, by saying that men are all egoists who are allergic to commitment... and they are the exact opposite of stalkers and women-obsessed people.
Because all my female friends are unmarried and most of them are divorced...because their men dumped them (I have to use this expression, because men promise you eternal love and they disappear as if they had been abducted by ETs).

So...to conclude, generalizations can lead to single and childless women.
But in my country...I never listen of stories of women who hate men because they were stalked by them. They hate them because they were abandoned by them.

I'll try to put a man's point of view, which is deliberately simplified. And it applies to people who play by the rules, not men who abandon their families and other bad actors.

Traditionally, marriage had both benefits and disadvantages for both men and women.

Men got sex they didn't have to pay for and a comfortable place to live where they didn't have to do housework or the messier side of child raising. If the woman no longer wanted sex, or so much sex, it was tacitly accepted that they got some elsewhere and women looked the other way so long as he was keeping up his end of the bargain in other ways. On the down side he was effectively trapped in a relationship and perhaps a job that he maybe no longer enjoyed.

Women had a secure place to raise their children, a guaranteed standard of living, and didn't have to have sex if they were prepared to tolerate a little infidelity. But she was the inferior party legally (at one time, not so long ago, she couldn't own property) and men were generally considered to be "in charge". Her opportunities outside the home were very limited.

Then it all changed ....

From a man's point of view, the woman got more from the change than he did, though women might argue differently. He still has to provide for the woman and children, though she is now sharing that burden. But now he doesn't have the comfortable home and well raised children, as he is expected (quite reasonably) to share the tasks that were previously considered the purview of women. He is now much more considered the (sexual) property of the wife and fidelity is expected, regardless of whether she is "performing" in that area. Divorce is now much easier, but the property is still divided in half, regardless of the financial contribution that either made, and he often still has to continue financial support.

Is there any wonder that some men decide that the downside of marriage outweighs the upside and decide against it? Sex is a lot easier to get outside marriage now, and you get to keep all your money, and live your life without getting ordered around.

Ladies, please don't jump all over me, I could write the same thing from a woman's perspective. Freedom for women has come with a heavy price. I'm just trying to put a point of view.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Thoughts?


You should really live here for a few years, get out and socialize with more Americans. The childless cat ladies he was denigrating are usually widows who've decided not to remarry. Or because of an abusive or neglectful former spouse/lover. Why should anyone be made to feel compelled to participate in something they don't wish to be a part of? Shaming others over their legit life choices does no one any good.

Signed by, A Childless Cat/Dog Lady
I totally agree.

Signed, another childless cat lady, I HAVE kids but they are grown and gone. So now I have two cats.
 

anna.

colors your eyes with what's not there
live your life without getting ordered around.

Your post was thoughtful, so it's almost like the above snuck in the back door and tried to blend in with the rest.

As a woman, I could say the same though, as you said.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
I mean...Vance is a very nice guy...and humble.
But he has a big flaw...I mean... we only know what his big flaw is.
He is not single and available (LOL)...
just kidding.

At first I thought he was blaming millennial women for being childless and with a house filled with cats.
I mean... if it deals with the USA...he has a point.
But not as for Europe. Women are childless in my country because of men... not because of volition.

He has a point in the United States, where toxic feminism has produced misandry and the tendency to mistrust men and relationship with men.

Thoughts? ;)
It also has to do with the fact that the West, when it comes to the younger generations, is starting to go the way of the South Korean work environment - where most of your time is spent working (or in school or both), for both sexes. At the same time, in-person socializing has collapsed. So how you can expect them to form relationships when they don't even socialize or have the time to form a relationship? Many young people don't even know how to. Gen Z is a very sexless generation, according to polls. They replaced relationships and sex with porn and masturbation.
 
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