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Vance and the childless cat ladies

Alien826

No religious beliefs
That's for sure...
I mean... the alpha female is a reality in the US. No offense, of course. But it's because men are too desperate for their attention.

The so called childless cat ladies are called the Bridgets Jones (at least in my country)...and they are just victims of men's selfishness.



There needs to be some middle way.

Did you see any episodes of "Mad Men"? It had so many examples of men treating women badly and women putting up with it for the sake of a career that I eventually gave up on it. One more episode and I would have literally thrown up. It's not totally limited to women of course. Men get bullied by more successful males and put up with it. I have never understood how some material advantage compensates for the loss of self respect. Oh, see "Veep" for a woman bullying spineless men. I have no idea if that's close to reality though.
 

Alien826

No religious beliefs
You could still get kickback from someone else who hasn't seen your post yet, but they also might not notice you were trying to be careful in expressing your thoughts, and that should count for something.
<Prepares flame proof suit> :)
The trope of a bossy wife can be seen in both a humorous and in a somber light. Even women joke about it (you might recall in A Big Fat Greek Wedding how one of the women explained it - paraphrased, the man is the head of the house and the woman is the neck that turns the head). To a certain extent this is quite true, but a lot of men appreciate that women take care of things they don't have to think about; they're just somehow magically done (and men can often have no awareness of how much work actually goes into that magic). So there's the joke, and then the somber truth that for many women, when men "order them around" there's all too often an element of abuse to it. Emotional, mental, physical, or all of those things. This is where a huge difference comes in. Society and culture have historically looked the other way. I'm sure you know all this so no need to go into it in detail. It's a fact.

As for the change in marriage: there's a lot of good, and some not so good, but overall I wouldn't go back and I'm thankful for the women who worked to give me the freedom I have today. The freedom to vote, to have a checking account, credit cards, a mortgage in my name without needing permission from a husband. That's first wave feminism, and then there were more waves to follow. I'm different than a lot of women my age, I worked until I had my first child and then I was a stay-at-home mom until they were all in school. Even then, I got a job that allowed me to be the one to pick them up after school and be home to get them to sports, dentist and doctor appointments, and make dinner while they played outside or did homework or hung out in the kitchen talking about stuff. These were the best years of my life, and while having children is the hardest job I ever had (and it's never over, no matter how old they are you still worry and sometimes - or often - help), it's also the best, most rewarding, most fulfilling job I could ever hope to have have. No regrets. I don't give out much more information about my kids other than I have them, because I'm protective of their privacy. But I do feel badly for latchkey kids, for babies who are in daycare from 6 weeks on. I wish there was a better way for our society to support young mothers in the early years. There's something to be said for Sweden (perhaps all of Scandinavia) that allows for 16 months of maternal leave at 80% pay.

I don't subscribe to some of third and fourth wave feminism. I don't hate men, I don't denigrate them, I understand and appreciate their worth, but I know many women who've said that after (or if) they were widowed or divorced they would never marry again. Statistics bear that out, so it's not just anecdotal. And I understand them and I agree with them.

Anyway. That's just me thinking off the top of my head, hope it gives you an idea of where I'm coming from.

Excellent, and thank you. I won't comment on what you wrote as it stands alone.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
It also has to do with the fact that the West, when it comes to the younger generations, is starting to go the way of the South Korean work environment - where most of your time is spent working (or in school or both), for both sexes. At the same time, in-person socializing has collapsed. So how you can expect them to form relationships when they don't even socialize or have the time to form a relationship? Many young people don't even know how to. Gen Z is a very sexless generation, according to polls. They replaced relationships and sex with porn and masturbation.
If that's the case, it sure does seem lonely.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
I mean...Vance is a very nice guy...and humble.
That is stretch beyond belief.
But he has a big flaw...I mean... we only know what his big flaw is.
He is not single and available (LOL)...
just kidding.
Sarcasm noted.
At first I thought he was blaming millennial women for being childless and with a house filled with cats.
I mean... if it deals with the USA...he has a point.
. . . a point Christian Nationalism ruled by fundamentalist Christianity
But not as for Europe. Women are childless in my country because of men... not because of volition.
Vance's view is female surrender to male dominance and dominion.
He has a point in the United States, where toxic feminism has produced misandry and the tendency to mistrust men and relationship with men.

I consider this and extreme sterotypic view of feminism.
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
As someone with Autism, from my perspective it appears growing up a native of the internet and digital worlds makes socializing harder than having autism. It's gotten so bad I've met those of the younger crowds who don't know how to make or find friends after school. It's like they forgot there are real life groups to join along with work being a place people have traditionally made friends at.
They also seem to think penpals (that's what internet friends are) are an adequate substitute for real life, face to face relationships. A few of my nieces amd nephews have even tried long distance dating over the internet just to find out their parents, aunts and uncle are right saying those don't work and cannot ever work because you lack the necessary face to face element of human socialization. And I see this everywhere and often read it psych stuff that people are having to be told penpals do not give us many of the things we need.
I'm glad I didn't grow up with it and never bothered to get the Matrix ports installed.
Yeah, I avoid "social" media like the plague. Always have, always will.

If you google my name, the only thing you'll find is data related to my company. And the only reason it is there, is because it's public information which has to be published by law and you'll also only find it on official government publications. Nowhere else.

I have zero problems making new friends and meeting new people. I actually have real-life social skills :rolleyes:
I have no problems at all entering a bar by myself and chatting with people I have never met before.

It's not hard. You just go sit at the bar and say "hi" to the guy / girl sitting next to you.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
If you google my name, the only thing you'll find is data related to my company. And the only reason it is there, is because it's public information which has to be published by law and you'll also only find it on official government publications. Nowhere else.
I'm pretty much the same way. My name does appear with medical licensing stuff but nowhere else that I've found.

I have zero problems making new friends and meeting new people. I actually have real-life social skills :rolleyes:
I have no problems at all entering a bar by myself and chatting with people I have never met before.

It's not hard. You just go sit at the bar and say "hi" to the guy / girl sitting next to you.
Yeah. I have autism, I've been abused so have a hard time with things like trusting people (doing rideshare has helped with that alot), but I've not had the problems of people I've heard talking in places where I sought friends (in a group of people and asking how to make friends with a desperate voice?). I was even engaged once, and nearing where I feel comfortable enough to start again after that train wreck nuked my mental health.
It's more an issue I don't fit in well in many places. Most people like me, but it's superficial without a whole lot going on to build deeper relationships on.
But people increasingly being single and not knowing how to get a partner? I don't get it. Just talking and being friendly has gotten me phone numbers without trying.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
It's not hard. You just go sit at the bar and say "hi" to the guy / girl sitting next to you.
Lol, a lot of times until I'm shown otherwise I tend to think something just happens in the movies (I also grew up and lived most my life miles from the nearest city, and don't much care for crowded, noisey places), such as bar hook ups. People are getting drunk, how is that possibly a good environment for meeting friends or finding any sort of romance. Have you seriously ever seen how people get when they start drinking? But it happens, I learned, lmao.
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
I'm pretty much the same way. My name does appear with medical licensing stuff but nowhere else that I've found.


Yeah. I have autism, I've been abused so have a hard time with things like trusting people (doing rideshare has helped with that alot), but I've not had the problems of people I've heard talking in places where I sought friends (in a group of people and asking how to make friends with a desperate voice?). I was even engaged once, and nearing where I feel comfortable enough to start again after that train wreck nuked my mental health.
It's more an issue I don't fit in well in many places. Most people like me, but it's superficial without a whole lot going on to build deeper relationships on.
But people increasingly being single and not knowing how to get a partner? I don't get it. Just talking and being friendly has gotten me phone numbers without trying.
Yeah, I get that it is more difficult for people with issues like autism, social anxiety etc. That's another story off course.

We all have our issues - so do I. Having problems with being social, just happens to not be one of them.
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
Lol, a lot of times until I'm shown otherwise I tend to think something just happens in the movies (I also grew up and lived most my life miles from the nearest city, and don't much care for crowded, noisey places), such as bar hook ups. People are getting drunk, how is that possibly a good environment for meeting friends or finding any sort of romance. Have you seriously ever seen how people get when they start drinking? But it happens, I learned, lmao.
Lol, sure. It kind of depends on the type of bar though. Certain bars tend to attract certain types of people. And in certain bars chances are much higher to have a bunch of "low-life" drunks sitting there as opposed to others.

I recently started playing tennis again after a very long break. A friend pulled me back on the court. He was the only one I knew at the club. Now, after the first summer season, I know half the club and made loads of new buddies I can call up to hit a few balls and have a drink with afterwards. That also makes it much easier... I can go to the club and sit at the bar and immediately have something to talk about with anyone there... since you know in advance you all share at least one interest: tennis. As an added bonus, it's a tennis club. So many of the people there are health freaks that won't be drinking gallons of alcohol. Tennis also tends to attract a certain profile of people. Chances are rather small of encountering "low-life" sleazy drunk people there.

Just to say, the type of establishment you enter, will also tell you something about the kind of people you'll meet there.
Don't expect to meet a classy highly educated traditional woman at the local club house of the Hells Angels for example :joycat:
You might, but chances are rather small.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Yeah, I get that it is more difficult for people with issues like autism, social anxiety etc. That's another story off course.
That was my point. Inhave these things going on but it seems I still have am easier time than the digital natives. It looks to me that growing up online is more detrimental than autism and abuse when it comes to socializing.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Yeah...but the narrative changes.
Here: don't make children with that man. He will find a mistress and will dump you, and your child will grow up without a father.
There: don't make children with that man. He will stalk you and beat you up. And your child will grow up with traumas.

As you can see... the reasons are the exact opposite of one another. A fleeing husband, and a stalking one.
The truth is that in Europe the number of divorces is much inferior to the number of the number in the US because the allergy to commitment is a great issue.
And by the way...it affects men more.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Did you see any episodes of "Mad Men"? It had so many examples of men treating women badly and women putting up with it for the sake of a career that I eventually gave up on it. One more episode and I would have literally thrown up. It's not totally limited to women of course. Men get bullied by more successful males and put up with it. I have never understood how some material advantage compensates for the loss of self respect. Oh, see "Veep" for a woman bullying spineless men. I have no idea if that's close to reality though.
No. . I didn't but I see much more solidarity betwern men.
 
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