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Vatican Removes Anti-Abortion Activist From the Priesthood

pearl

Well-Known Member
I am not at all surprised at this action as the publication 'Priests for Life' has been so far to the right.

well-known Catholic priest and incendiary leader of the anti-abortion movement was removed from the priesthood by the Vatican, according to a letter from Pope Francis’ representative to the United States that was obtained by The New York Times.

Frank Pavone, who leads the advocacy organization Priests for Life, and was once a religious adviser to former President Donald J. Trump, was dismissed from the clergy on Nov. 9 with no possibility of appeal, the letter states. The letter included a statement about the removal, called laicization, that it said was approved by the Dicastery for the Clergy, a Vatican office.

“This action was taken after Father Pavone was found guilty in canonical proceedings of blasphemous communications on social media, and of persistent disobedience of the lawful instructions of his diocesan bishop,” it states.

“I’m waiting for them to point out to me what I did wrong that merits something like this,” he said. And though the Vatican has said there was no possibility of appeal, Mr. Pavone said that ultimately he and his allies “would have to appeal to the next pope” and “to the people of God.”

Mr. Pavone was devoted to Mr. Trump and was among those who questioned the results of the 2020 election.
“I’ve been persecuted in the church for decades, decades. This is nothing new for me,” he said. “They just don’t like the work I’m doing for these babies.”

He seemed to refer to a comment on Twitter from 2020 in which he referred to “supporters of this goddamn loser Biden and his morally corrupt, America-hating, God hating Democrat party.”

“I used the word G-D in a response to somebody in a tweet and for that they want to throw me out of the priesthood,” he said.

“As you will know, Father Pavone was a very public and high profile figure associated with the Right to Life Movement in the U.S.,” Archbishop Pierre states. “His dismissal from the clerical state may, therefore, be a matter of interest among the faithful. In anticipation of that potential interest, the attached statement regarding Father Pavone is provided for your information.”


During the 2016 presidential election, Mr. Pavone posted a live video on Facebook in which he put an aborted fetus on what appeared to be an altar. The Diocese of Amarillo in Texas, which oversaw him at the time, announced that it opened an investigation into Mr. Pavone as a result. The diocese did not respond to a request for comment on Saturday night.

Vatican Removes Anti-Abortion Activist From the Priesthood (msn.com)
 
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Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
As far as I have understood, he was laicized (very drastic solution, that is not even applied on pedophile priests) because of blasphemy on social media.

I suspect it is a pretext...and by the way...the Vatican is an absolute monarchy that doesn't even guarantee a fair and just trial in front of an impartial and third judge.

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Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
He seemed to refer to a comment on Twitter from 2020 in which he referred to “supporters of this goddamn loser Biden and his morally corrupt, America-hating, God hating Democrat party.”

This statement on social media falls under the First Amendment, of course....but the Vatican doesn't have a democratic constitution, and apparently, they say his current leader is a highly politicized Pope.

It's a Pope who said : "It's a relief I am a political Pope because Aristotle defines man as "animal politicum".
And whether I am a pawn or not...well...I don't know...maybe...I leave it up to the people's judgment."





 
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Father Heathen

Veteran Member
As far as I have understood, he was laicized (very drastic solution, that is not even applied on pedophile priests) because of blasphemy on social media.
As if the RCC was a fundamentalist organization. It is not.
I suspect it is a pretext...and by the way...the Freemasonic Vatican is an absolute, undemocratic monarchy that doesn't even guarantee a fair and just trial in front of an impartial and third judge.
That's why Vatican City can never join the EU, not even in a parallel universe. And shouldn't even be allowed to use the euro.

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Let's not distort and deflect with ridiculous conspiracy theories, please. Thanks.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Let's not distort and deflect with ridiculous conspiracy theories, please. Thanks.
Do you think the Pope will ever meet the Prime Minister of Italy?
No...I am pretty confident he will not.
And he won't meet Mr European Trump either, who has been defined as the most racist politician in Europe.

Why? Because apparently they are both too fascistic to be met by His Excellent, Magnificent Holiness. :)

And we are speaking of a Pope who will literally meet anyone. Singers, actors, comedians...
but not the PM of a state that is across the river.
Time will tell I am right.
 
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Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
No, it does not. The U.S. constitution applies to the laws of the U.S. government (and thus completely irrelevant to this story). Just as the church has its own rules, and this guy apparently broke them.
Indeed. I said the Vatican has no first Amendment.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Do you think the Pope will ever meet the Prime Minister of Italy?
No...I am pretty confident he will not.
And he won't meet Mr European Trump either, who has been defined as the most racist politician in Europe.

Why? Because they are both too fascist to be met by His Excellent, Magnificent Holiness. :)

And we are speaking of a Pope who will literally meet anyone. Singers, actors, comedians...
but not the PM of a state that is across the river.
Time will tell I am right.
Why would he want to meet with garbage racists and fascists?
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
“supporters of this goddamn loser Biden and his morally corrupt, America-hating, God hating Democrat party.”

Cancelled, and rightly so. They don't pay him to take provocative political positions publicly. He's embarrassing the Church and would be increasing antipathy for it if they didn't disavow him strongly. He's like any other employee who makes a gaffe on social media or in the news. If you tarnish the brand, it will distance itself from you. He can think of this as losing his Vatican endorsement the way an athlete might lose a corporate sponsor for a morals clause violation.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
“supporters of this goddamn loser Biden and his morally corrupt, America-hating, God hating Democrat party.”

Cancelled, and rightly so. They don't pay him to take provocative political positions publicly. He's embarrassing the Church and would be increasing antipathy for it if they didn't disavow him strongly. He's like any other employee who makes a gaffe on social media or in the news. If you tarnish the brand, it will distance itself from you. He can think of this as losing his Vatican endorsement the way an athlete might lose a corporate sponsor for a morals clause violation.

It's clear he wasn't insulting the voters. The voters have nothing to do with the Party. Voters are decent people and vote for whomever they think is the right choice. And they are all good people.
He was referring to the Party exclusively.
As for the Party, what did he say wrong?
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
“supporters of this goddamn loser Biden and his morally corrupt, America-hating, God hating Democrat party.”

Cancelled, and rightly so. They don't pay him to take provocative political positions publicly. He's embarrassing the Church and would be increasing antipathy for it if they didn't disavow him strongly. He's like any other employee who makes a gaffe on social media or in the news. If you tarnish the brand, it will distance itself from you. He can think of this as losing his Vatican endorsement the way an athlete might lose a corporate sponsor for a morals clause violation.
It seems this guy has been doing this for years - and you are right: inflammatory political statements, laced as they are with hatred, clearly bring the church into disrepute. He's a bad priest. So he should be unfrocked, and he has been. Good.
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
It's clear he wasn't insulting the voters.

I disagree. In America, people who vote Democratic call themselves Democrats. I don't, but they do.

I found his comment offensive anyway. I find the man very unlikeable. I have no respect for him, nor empathy at this point. He's MAGA. He promotes election hoax fraud and surely has no respect for the bedrock American principle of church-state separation, yet calls others America-hating. He considers Biden a loser, but who's the loser here, padre? Biden is a decent man and has been a very effective president.

Also, I find the term God-hating offensive even though I am an atheist. Biden and Pelosi are both better Catholics and better people than this man.

And I don't mind that he finds himself humiliated, ostracized, and unemployed. It seems just to me.
 

Aštra’el

Aštara, Blade of Aštoreth
Why would he want to meet with garbage racists and fascists?

From what I understand of the lore… I suspect it is something Christ would do, were he in the Pope’s position. From what I remember of Christianity, none are beyond redemption… no matter what their views, and no matter what their crimes.
 
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