Vegetarians i need your help

[illykitty]

Well there's two issues here. Carbs and proteins. Nuts, tofu, eggs... They make you fuller! Also, have brown stuff. Whole carbs make you a lot fuller without a bigger portion. Pasta, rice and noodles come in the brown variety and I swear it makes a huge difference.

Well, I'm probably repeating what a lot of people said but it's true, so you should listen!

Examples of vegetarian stuff we eat:

-Ramen with an egg, tofu, mushroom, mixed oriental veg and whole noodles (buckwheat).
-Vegetarian sunday roast with honey parsnips, nut or fake meat roast (Linda McCartney being the best), yorkie pud (can ignore this one if it's too much) and sweet potatoes.
-Egg fried rice, make a big amount and have some as leftovers!
-Curry, if creamy, go with cashews or almonds, if saucy, go with beans.

 

[Vinayaka]

Just a note on egg - many people don't consider them vegetarian. Being a sort of conspiracy kind of guy, I think some days that this whole idea of vegetarianism being weak on protein was started and is maintained by the meat and dairy lobby groups. Can't blame them, its their livelihood, potentially. In Canada nutritionists tried to change the 4 main food groups within the Canada Food Guide that goes to schools, but the dairy and meat industries put up such a stink they rescinded, and left it the same.

 

[Maya3]

Just a note on egg - many people don't consider them vegetarian. Being a sort of conspiracy kind of guy, I think some days that this whole idea of vegetarianism being weak on protein was started and is maintained by the meat and dairy lobby groups. Can't blame them, its their livelihood, potentially. In Canada nutritionists tried to change the 4 main food groups within the Canada Food Guide that goes to schools, but the dairy and meat industries put up such a stink they rescinded, and left it the same.

I'm ok with eating eggs, if I know they come from ethically raised hens.
Pastured eggs for example, the hens are really outside, picking seeds, eating grass and more.

Maya

 

[Vinayaka]

I'm ok with eating eggs, if I know they come from ethically raised hens.
Pastured eggs for example, the hens are really outside, picking seeds, eating grass and more.

Maya

Not here to argue. Just pointing out that not everyone believes egg is vegetarian. Of course its up to the individual to look at the ideas of others on it, or better yet, meditate on it, and decide for themselves.

There is a ton of debate on it, and if you google :"Are eggs vegetarian?" you'll get a ton of hits. Like this: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Are_eggs_vegetarian

 

[Maya3]

Not here to argue. Just pointing out that not everyone believes egg is vegetarian. Of course its up to the individual to look at the ideas of others on it, or better yet, meditate on it, and decide for themselves.

There is a ton of debate on it, and if you google :"Are eggs vegetarian?" you'll get a ton of hits. Like this: Are eggs vegetarian

Yeah, technically they are not really vegetarian. It depends on how you feel personally about eating something that could potentially become a chicken.

Maya

 

[Vinayaka]

Here's another good site that explores the myths. For example, too much protein is as unhealthy as too little. It is extremely difficult to get too little, and extremely easy to get too much.

Vegetarian Diet: Vegetarian Protein, Protein Myths and Facts, Savvy Vegetarian

 

[Gurtej]

I have cut down on eating meat and the Curry i had tonight was 90% vegetable and tasted great,the problem is that afterwards i still feel hungry,what can i use to substitute meat that staves the hunger,thanks for any replies.

Just out of curiosity .. Why are you turning vegetarian? I hope it's not for spiritual reasons ?

 

[Noaidi]

Yeah, technically they are not really vegetarian. It depends on how you feel personally about eating something that could potentially become a chicken.

Maya

I've been veggie for 26 years and not really considered this as a problem. Would the potential to become a chicken preclude an egg from being part of a vegetarian diet? If it's an unfertilised egg, then I don't see it as contravening the "rules" of vegetarianism.

 

[Maya3]

I've been veggie for 26 years and not really considered this as a problem. Would the potential to become a chicken preclude an egg from being part of a vegetarian diet? If it's an unfertilised egg, then I don't see it as contravening the "rules" of vegetarianism.

Exactly, it depends on how you feel about that. I personally rather eat a fertilized egg from a happy happy hen who had a good life, then an unfertilized egg from a hen living in a cramped cage.

It's about non violence for me.

Maya

 

[England my lionheart]

Just out of curiosity .. Why are you turning vegetarian? I hope it's not for spiritual reasons ?

I'm not turning completely vegetarian,i just think i should cut down on meat and the only spirit involved is the one i drink after dinner .

 

[illykitty]

Just a note on egg - many people don't consider them vegetarian.

What? I believe most people do consider them vegetarian here, as it's in most vegetarian food you buy in stores.

Vegetarians have milk and dairy and vegans have no dairy or eggs either. There's also the ovo and lacvo types, but usually that's specified.

Eggs very crudely put are chicken periods. Periods do not equate meat.

 

[Vinayaka]

What? I believe most people do consider them vegetarian here, as it's in most vegetarian food you buy in stores.

Vegetarians have milk and dairy and vegans have no dairy or eggs either. There's also the ovo and lacvo types, but usually that's specified.

Eggs very crudely put are chicken periods. Periods do not equate meat.

You're probably right, within the western vegetarian world, but you have to remember my subconscious is Hindu now. Within the Hindu world, they are definitely non-vegetarian.

 

[bulmabriefs144]

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Well, first the health concerns:

Things you risk not getting enough unless you make sure you do:

Iron:

Be sure to gain iron from some source in your food. Not only this, it is important that you eat vitamin C with your iron, specially as you start vegetarian. This is because the iron that comes from vegetable sources is harder to absorb than the iron from not vegetable sources, but vitamin C amounts its absorption. Also, avoid eating coffee or smoking as you intake your iron.

Brocollii and tomato are your best sources ever for iron, as they have both vitamin C and iron. A bowl of brocoli tends to have all the iron you need for a day

Don't forget spinach. It has a number of nutrients, including iron.

In general though, legumes have iron.

b12:

Fortified food, Milk and I think eggs, although you need so little of b12 that I´ve heard a person that had eaten meatm ost of his life can spend years before needing to get it again.

Zinc:

Nuts and almonds.

Also, eat lentils. They are a good source of fiber, which helps with fullness.

Now for your answer I don´t know if you are just in a temporal diet or what, but when I felt hungry on my first days it was because I ignored the iron bit or the zinc bit, it was my body asking me to give it what it needed, and it didn´t satiated until I got what it was from and ate accordingly, which took a wiki search and a couple of facepalms

Temporary. :slap:

I usually stick to pescovegetarian diets, as your body will need omega oil, meaning alot of nuts, olives, and veggies (in general, it is better to get oils from source, as there are hidden trans-fats in some storebought oils, even the liquid kind) or just a diet high in fish. No fried fish, and you'd be okay.

Ohhhhh... Hindu. Okay, I think you can still get fat from milk and butter, since they aren't vegan and cow is holy.

 

[Penumbra]

I usually stick to pescovegetarian diets, as your body will need omega oil, meaning alot of nuts, olives, and veggies (in general, it is better to get oils from source, as there are hidden trans-fats in some storebought oils, even the liquid kind) or just a diet high in fish. No fried fish, and you'd be okay.

That's the route I've been going lately.

Spent around a decade as a strict vegetarian, and vegan for certain periods of that. Now I've added some fish into the diet 2-3 times a week so it's no longer vegetarian but pescetarian instead.

I decided to do it because it boosts the protein-to-carb ratio a bit and adds in some omega 3 fatty acids.

 

[Maya3]

Hemp oil is great for omega 3.

Maya

 

[Penumbra]

Hemp oil is great for omega 3.

Maya

The only downside to plant-based omega 3's like hemp oil is that the omega 3 generally only comes in the ALA variety rather than EPA or DHA, which are the more useful varieties.

Other than that, they're pretty useful. Flax seeds have some pretty good ALA omega 3's as well.

 

[Maija]

I currently do eat things with eggs in them and actually I had an omelette the other day.

I do wish to cut out eggs completely as the thought of eating chicken period rather grosses me out.

Other than that, veggie I am.

 

[Jainarayan]

Or rather, trying not to overdose on carbs. I would like to give vegetarianism a shot again, for the religious and ethical reasons. I've been reading through these posts, and there are some good suggestions. The problem is that every time I've tried, even if I stay within Weight Watchers points (I have about 20 lbs more to lose in addition to the 30-40 I already lost), I tend to overdose on the carbs... bread (yes even whole wheat), rice, pasta, 'taters ("taters, what's taters, Precious?" "Po-tay-toes, boil 'em, mash 'em, stick 'em in a stew").

Overdosing on carbs gives me physical problems, not the least of which is bloating like the Michelin Man. I'm OK with giving up eating anything that has fur or feathers; I really don't care for meat anymore. Giving up fins and scales may come later... maybe. I don't see eggs being out of the picture.

Apart from the green and colorful vegs, what are the options besides beans and rice, quinoa and beans, lentils, potatoes (white and sweet... love sweet potatoes!) that are not carb-laden? I know there is low- and non-fat dairy. I can do tofu. I have lots of seasonings at home. In fact, when I season foods to bring to work, I don't stay in my cubicle to eat. I go to the cafeteria so I don't hear people whining that the place smells.

I guess I just don't know how to do this properly.

 

[Maya3]

Or rather, trying not to overdose on carbs. I would like to give vegetarianism a shot again, for the religious and ethical reasons. I've been reading through these posts, and there are some good suggestions. The problem is that every time I've tried, even if I stay within Weight Watchers points (I have about 20 lbs more to lose in addition to the 30-40 I already lost), I tend to overdose on the carbs... bread (yes even whole wheat), rice, pasta, 'taters ("taters, what's taters, Precious?" "Po-tay-toes, boil 'em, mash 'em, stick 'em in a stew").

Overdosing on carbs gives me physical problems, not the least of which is bloating like the Michelin Man. I'm OK with giving up eating anything that has fur or feathers; I really don't care for meat anymore. Giving up fins and scales may come later... maybe. I don't see eggs being out of the picture.

Apart from the green and colorful vegs, what are the options besides beans and rice, quinoa and beans, lentils, potatoes (white and sweet... love sweet potatoes!) that are not carb-laden? I know there is low- and non-fat dairy. I can do tofu. I have lots of seasonings at home. In fact, when I season foods to bring to work, I don't stay in my cubicle to eat. I go to the cafeteria so I don't hear people whining that the place smells.

I guess I just don't know how to do this properly.

I find that vegetarians eat more often then meat eaters, my husband who eats meat doesn't get as hungry as me. We have a saying and it is that I'm always starving... unless I'm stuffed.

So I think that you might want to eat more often than you usually do because vegetarian protein goes through your system faster.

Combining grains and vegetarian protein is very important so that you get complete protein and if you do that (don't have to do it with every meal, but be somewhat aware of it) then you might last a little longer.

Beans, there are lots of different kinds, both frozen and in cans. Lentils, (Lentils too come in lots of different kinds, especially if you go to an Indian store, the ones from American supermarkets are usually just french and they are not as tasty in my opinion.) nuts, quonia (that is the only grain I think that has complete protein).

If you combine these different ways it does not get as boring as it sounds.
Also think of each dish that you use to eat, and just replace the meat with a bean or lentil dish.
I add tomato sauce and spices to almost all my dishes, it makes a difference and then it's easy to add veggies, nuts and other things into it to make it tasty.

Also add nuts to oatmeal in the morning, or a table spoon of Almond or Peanut butter, that makes it complete protein and you wont get so hungry.

Let me know how it goes.

Oh and don't forget all the fake meat products you can buy, they are not the healthiest but they do spruce up a dish now and then.

Maya

 

[Me Myself]

Or rather, trying not to overdose on carbs. I would like to give vegetarianism a shot again, for the religious and ethical reasons. I've been reading through these posts, and there are some good suggestions. The problem is that every time I've tried, even if I stay within Weight Watchers points (I have about 20 lbs more to lose in addition to the 30-40 I already lost), I tend to overdose on the carbs... bread (yes even whole wheat), rice, pasta, 'taters ("taters, what's taters, Precious?" "Po-tay-toes, boil 'em, mash 'em, stick 'em in a stew").

Overdosing on carbs gives me physical problems, not the least of which is bloating like the Michelin Man. I'm OK with giving up eating anything that has fur or feathers; I really don't care for meat anymore. Giving up fins and scales may come later... maybe. I don't see eggs being out of the picture.

Apart from the green and colorful vegs, what are the options besides beans and rice, quinoa and beans, lentils, potatoes (white and sweet... love sweet potatoes!) that are not carb-laden? I know there is low- and non-fat dairy. I can do tofu. I have lots of seasonings at home. In fact, when I season foods to bring to work, I don't stay in my cubicle to eat. I go to the cafeteria so I don't hear people whining that the place smells.

I guess I just don't know how to do this properly.

Do you exercise? are you sure you are not eating more of the carbs than what you actually need for the protein balance?

Given you (I assume) do eat cheese, simply drinking more milk (the one without the fatteniing stuff) and putting way more cheese on the same cheese sandwich can help a lot ( hopefully )

Eggs are very good too for protein as I am sure you know, just limit them a bit cause of cholesterol. Quinoa as I guessyou know is a compete protein source so you also have that.

You could also check out vegetarian journal I did a while back to see what I and other veggs eat, maybe that will give you ideas or you can tell if you have a bigger carbs sensitivity than most people.



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