Verifiable evidence for creationism?

[dust1n]

Obviously there's no verifiable empirical evidence either way, but we do have other forms of evidence, such as the predictive ability of each theory to consider:

Did the universe always exist as naturalists predicted-
or was it created in a specific creation event as in the Bible account?

Did life arise in smooth steady transitions as evolution predicted,
or quick sudden jumps as in the Bible account?

Does physical reality rely on simple immutable 'God refuting' mechanics,
or deeper mysterious unpredictable forces?


Nothing conclusive of course if we are going to be strict, but there seems to be a teeny bit of a pattern emerging here.

A pattern of false dichotomies?

 

[dust1n]

Because that is a common misconception- natural selection cannot guide a random mutation towards being a significant improvement.

I'd love to know more about what you mean by this, but I can't quite figure it out... Natural selection doesn't "guide" anything. Either traits increase reproduction or they don't. Any trait that has any benefit to increasing reproduction is going to outnumber things that don't. That's not a "guide."

 

[dust1n]

Can we verify a single cell accidentally morphing into a human being? Conjecture is all we have either way at this point

Can we verify there is only one God, and not a million? Can we verify that God loves humans opposed to hating them? Can we verify a God even exists, or is even necessary?

 

[McBell]

Hilarious 747 gambit which is nothing more than the watchmaker fallacy redressed. If using Dawkins form it is a horrible argument as Dawkins in a biologists...

The truly sad part is how they think it helps their "argument"....

 

[McBell]

Because that is a common misconception- natural selection cannot guide a random mutation towards being a significant improvement. The mutation dictates what natural selection has to choose from, not the other way around

The only misconception here is your personification where no personification is implied.

 

[Awkward Fingers]

So, 4 "yes"s, 325 posts, and still no evidence.
Chalking this one up as "unsurprising."

 

[Thief]

I accept all sound reasoning. Arguments from ignorance are logically flawed and are, thus, not sound reasoning. For example, god of the gaps, something from nothing, speculation as to the limits of scientific understanding ... these are all examples of arguments from ignorance and are not sound reasoning.

I don't think your being honest....let's see if you are....

Spirit first?.....or substance?

be honest

 

[Thief]

The only misconception here is your personification where no personification is implied.

and God said to Moses......
tell the people....I AM!.....and they that understand will know Whose law this is!

or maybe you have a greater personage?

 

[Thief]

It is inherent from logic and reality.


The evidence yes. Yes we have.

He doesn't really know what he is saying. Its crazy to follow all of the evidence found for evolution but man we should probably just take a long *** stretch of ignorant leaps and say that god did it.

and if God did not do it?.......speak a greater Cause for all of this reality

 

[McBell]

and God said to Moses......
tell the people....I AM!.....and they that understand will know Whose law this is!

or maybe you have a greater personage?

Did you forget your meds or did you overdose?

 

[Thief]

Did you forget your meds or did you overdose?

would you like to answer the question...or just out trolling?

 

[McBell]

and if God did not do it?.......speak a greater Cause for all of this reality

Until you show that there is reason to think there is a "greater cause" behind it, other than you really really needing said "greater cause" there is no reason to entertain a "greater cause".

Cue "faith needs no proving"....

 

[McBell]

would you like to answer the question...or just out trolling?

Who doesn't have a greater personage than your god?
I mean, you god cannot even bother speaking for itself....
And if you are the best your god can do in spreading his words....

I also notice that your diversion does not have a thing to do with Guy Threepwood's insertion of personification.
Perhaps you would like to address that or am I merely feeding the troll?

 

[Thief]

Who doesn't have a greater personage than your god?
I mean, you god cannot even bother speaking for itself....
And if you are the best your god can do in spreading his words....

not here to convince you....
you are already beyond hope

and why should God counsel the unwilling?

 

[McBell]

not here to convince you....
you are already beyond hope

How convenient.

and why should God counsel the unwilling?

Thank you for further proving my point.

 

[Thief]

your welcome

 

[McBell]

your welcome

Well,

Are you going to address the personification post you replied to or am I feeding the troll?

 

[Thief]

feed yourself....go have a snack

 

[McBell]

feed yourself....go have a snack

Are you finished?
I am still bored.

 

[Robert.Evans]

I don't think I understand what you are asking. It is "natural" because it exists in nature on it's own, or is "natural". But, I don't think that is what you are asking. Can you clarify?

Perhaps you are the wrong person to ask. People ask where does God come from. I am asking (IF there were no God) where does this "natural" come from.