Verses that show Qur'an is from God

[fullyveiled muslimah]

There is pure Evil – like Islam is.

Hmm so Islam=pure evil, then muslims follow Islam = Muslims = pure evil?!

Boy oh boy I had better not go on Moment of Truth with that little piece of info. Imagine that:

Host: FVM, are you pure evil?

*looks nervously around, then looks at husband, shifts eyes, wipes brow, then slowly speaks*
FVM: "no"
Disembodied female voice: That answer is.........*ridiculously stupid pause* FALSE!

 

[kai]

the age thing is easier to understand if you take out your modern mindset in the past it was not unusual to be wed at a young age remember you would be a village elder at 40.

 

[Don Penguinoini]

has protector run away?

 

[Popeyesays]

has protector run away?

It appears that he has given up the field--probably more from frustration than anything else. Naivite is easily frustrated.

Regards,
Scott

 

[Don Penguinoini]

It appears that he has given up the field--probably more from frustration than anything else. Naivite is easily frustrated.

Regards,
Scott

I think he is wasting his debating skills (or hwateve is left of them) on us, trying to prove something which is stupid.

 

[Popeyesays]

I think he is wasting his debating skills (or hwateve is left of them) on us, trying to prove something which is stupid.

I don't doubt his sincerity. Honing his debating skills? Quite possibly. There is a shi'ih muslim fellow who often trolls Baha`i message boards to work out his arguments before final presentation on Answering Bahaullah, his web site. But he is neither young nor naive.

Regards,
Scott

 

[Peace4all]

I think he is wasting his debating skills (or hwateve is left of them) on us, trying to prove something which is stupid.

come on guys thats not nice

 

[Jistyr]

So obviously it is from God.

That's an assumption that made me laugh a little bit.

People did not have the TECHNOLOGY to tell EVERY LIVING THING has water in it. Rhinos, plants, elephants, jaguars, snakes,alligators, tigers, lions,etc. All are created from water because that is what science tells us. I doubt whether there were even tigers in Arabia, let alone it was created from water.

All living things have water in them, yet the passage states we are made only of water. And last time I checked, science said that humans are made of a variety of compounds and elements, not just H2O. So no, it is not consistent with science, and your example is not even consistent with the passage.

 

[Somkid]

No offense but what I posted was quoted from the Koran you just can't make that kind of stuff up.

 

[Don Penguinoini]

come on guys thats not nice

I swear, if you were not muslim, or not a practicing one, then his arguement would look so unbelieveably stupid and dumb, you have no clue of the extent he goes to prove a point which canot be proven.

I might as well say...

"All other religions stink, Sanatan Dharm is the only way forward in life"
Rig Ved 10/36/1

 

[Popeyesays]

That's an assumption that made me laugh a little bit.

All living things have water in them, yet the passage states we are made only of water. And last time I checked, science said that humans are made of a variety of compounds and elements, not just H2O. So no, it is not consistent with science, and your example is not even consistent with the passage.

The statement is metaphorical and is actually in juxtaposition to saying that angels are made from Air, and the Djinn from fire.

Earth, air, water and fire are the four Aristotelean elements, and they are metaphoric since we know that there are many more chemical elements than that.

Regards,
Scott

 

[Jistyr]

The statement is metaphorical and is actually in juxtaposition to saying that angels are made from Air, and the Djinn from fire.

Earth, air, water and fire are the four Aristotelean elements, and they are metaphoric since we know that there are many more chemical elements than that.

Regards,
Scott

Thank you for clarifying that, but what I was getting at was his literal interpretation of such quotes and how he stated they fit hand-in-hand with science.

 

[Popeyesays]

Thank you for clarifying that, but what I was getting at was his literal interpretation of such quotes and how he stated they fit hand-in-hand with science.

Oh, I agree to demand that metaphorical passages prove science is inexplicably obtuse.

However, it makes interesting implications.

One can read passages of Baha`u'llah concerning transmutation of the spirit using the symbol of turning copper into gold. He says with the proper "elixit" it can be done in the twinkling of any.

Well, it's metaphor for things of the spirit.

He also says that copper left in nature's furnace will also transmute to gold.

I see an implication if "nature's furnace is considered to be a symbol for the heart of a Population I star; which at the moment of its destruction transmutes iron and elements lighter than iron into the heavier elements "in the twinkling of an eye". Iron becomes copper, becomes gold, becomes platinum, becomes thorium, becomes plutonium. . .
Should this be offered as scientific proof? Hardly. Should it cause some interesting conjectures? It does for me.

Regards,
Scott

 

[rheff78]

I find it interesting that in all of the other religions, no one really finds any violence inherit. Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hindusim. But EVERYONE seems to agree that Islam is an inherintly violent and dangerous religion. Answers?

 

[Popeyesays]

I find it interesting that in all of the other religions, no one really finds any violence inherit. Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hindusim. But EVERYONE seems to agree that Islam is an inherintly violent and dangerous religion. Answers?

Well, Judaism chronicles the claiming of the Promised Land which involved a good deal of warfare.

Hinduism's Holy Texts not only chrinicle war, but raise it to heroic levels.

Christianity directs one to render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and the power of war and peace is what Caesar is good at.

Buddhism was largely a reaction to the teachings of Hinduism.

Regards,
Scott

 

[rheff78]

Well, Judaism chronicles the claiming of the Promised Land which involved a good deal of warfare.

Hinduism's Holy Texts not only chrinicle war, but raise it to heroic levels.

Christianity directs one to render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and the power of war and peace is what Caesar is good at.

Buddhism was largely a reaction to the teachings of Hinduism.

Regards,
Scott

I'm not talking about the stories. I mean to the effect of, in it's original teaching. No religion actively tells people to kill someone else.

 

[rheff78]

Well, Judaism chronicles the claiming of the Promised Land which involved a good deal of warfare.

Hinduism's Holy Texts not only chrinicle war, but raise it to heroic levels.

Christianity directs one to render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and the power of war and peace is what Caesar is good at.

Buddhism was largely a reaction to the teachings of Hinduism.

Regards,
Scott

Good point though.

 

[Popeyesays]

I'm not talking about the stories. I mean to the effect of, in it's original teaching. No religion actively tells people to kill someone else.

Quite correct. No religion including Islam actively tells people to kill someone else.

Regards,
Scott

 

[Don Penguinoini]

I find it interesting that in all of the other religions, no one really finds any violence inherit. Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hindusim. But EVERYONE seems to agree that Islam is an inherintly violent and dangerous religion. Answers?

Hinduism used to be very violent, between hindus themselves i grant you. Christianity is openly violent, here are some quotes:

ii) Biblical God killed the Jews by sending ?fiery serpents?​

[FONT=Times New Roman,Times]21. ?6. And the Lord sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.?[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman,Times]- Numbers, 21/6[/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman,Times](iv) Biblical God burnt alive 250 Jews [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times]Biblical God burnt alive 250 Jews in fire because of their only fault that they offered incense.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman,Times]24. ?35. And there came out a fire from the Lord, and consumed the two hundred and fifty men (of Israel) that offered incense.?[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman,Times]- Numbers, 16/35[/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman,Times]26. ?14. So the Lord sent pestilence upon Israel; and them fell of Israel seventy thousand men.?[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman,Times]- I Chronicles, 21/14[/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman,Times](ii) Don?t kill non-believers, but torture them[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman,Times]124. ?5. And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months; and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.?[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman,Times]- Revelation, 9/5[/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman,Times]123. ?4. And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.?[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman,Times]- Revelation, 9/4[/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman,Times]158. ?9. And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend in the siege and straitness, wherewith their enemies, and they that seek their lives, shall straiten them.?[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman,Times]- Jeremiah, 19/9[/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman,Times]159. ?10. The hands of the pitiful women have sodden their own children: they were their meat in the destruction of the daughter of my people.?[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman,Times]- Lamentations, 4/10[/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman,Times](b) David butchered 200 men ![/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman,Times]238. ?27. Wherefore David arose and went, he and his men, and slew of the Philistines two hundred men;???[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman,Times]-I Samuel, 18/27[/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman,Times]245. ?40. And Elijah said unto them, Take the prophets of Baal; let not one of them escape. And they took them: and Elijah brought them down to the brook Kishon, and slew them there.?[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman,Times]- I Kings, 18/40[/FONT]
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[camanintx]

How could a mere man 1400 years ago say that every living thing is created from water?

Wouldn't it be painfully obvious to anyone living in a desert, even 1400 year ago, that water was an important part of every living thing?