"Violence Erupts Over Israeli Museum’s Sculpture of a Crucified Ronald McDonald"

[Epic Beard Man]

IMHO, it is offensive to not praise the God who allows freedom of expression.

This is dangerous rhetoric. We also find in so-called "free Christian lands" racism, bigotry, sexism, homophobia as well. Please there is enough blame to go around! I call myself sticking up for Christians in this thread (something I rarely do considering there are a lot of intolerant Christians on these boards) don't push it with this evangelical nonsense.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

The artist is criticizing consumerism, it's quite unfortunate that he chose the crucifixion theme.

Ok, now we're getting somewhere. I'd be more curious why he chose specifically the iconic character of Ronald McDonald and the act of crucifixion. Perhaps we ought to sacrifice consumerism?

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Definitely not.

Sure, it is blasphemous towards Christianity.

But so what? Literally everyone is blasphemous towards billions of other people's beliefs.

Literally everyone is NOT blasphemous towards everyone else's beliefs (rather some, not all), but where did you get this line of reasoning? Considering you don`t know not even 1% of the people in your area how is everyone accountable for blasphemy? Very poor logic indeed.

 

[Revoltingest]

Perhaps it was more a criticism of Corporatism than religious mockery.

Then the artist sure got it wrong.
Religion poses the greater evil.
Great...now you're starting to make
me feel sympathy for the burger clown!

 

[Revoltingest]

It says "tacky".

I think you're being too charitable.
"Tacky" can be fun.
I call it "pretentious".

 

[Subduction Zone]

Literally everyone is NOT blasphemous towards everyone else's beliefs (rather some, not all), but where did you get this line of reasoning? Considering you don`t know not even 1% of the people in your area how is everyone accountable for blasphemy? Very poor logic indeed.

You misunderstood. He did not say "blasphemous towards everyone else's beliefs". He meant that everyone's beliefs would be held to be blasphemous by some other billions of people. Christians tend to think that Islam is "blasphemy" and vice versa. That does not mean that every Christian thinks that Islam is blasphemous or every Muslim feels that way about Christians.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Ok, now we're getting somewhere. I'd be more curious why he chose specifically the iconic character of Ronald McDonald and the act of crucifixion. Perhaps we ought to sacrifice consumerism?

The work is open to multiple interpretations. It will also affect some on a very emotional basis. In other words it is "art". Is it good art? I don't think it is particularly good, but that is my taste.

 

[Audie]

I think you're being too charitable.
"Tacky" can be fun.
I call it "pretentious".

Ok then, "tawdry".

 

[Subduction Zone]

I think you're being too charitable.
"Tacky" can be fun.
I call it "pretentious".

I could go along with that.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

You misunderstood. He did not say "blasphemous towards everyone else's beliefs". He meant that everyone's beliefs would be held to be blasphemous by some other billions of people.

No. He literally said:

Sure, it is blasphemous towards Christianity.

But so what? Literally everyone is blasphemous towards billions of other people's beliefs. There is no exageration whatsoever in that statement.

If he so chooses to I'll let him explain it so forgive me if I do not accept your explanation on the matter. I read the comment quite literally.

 

[Revoltingest]

Ok then, "tawdry".

Acceptable.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

The work is open to multiple interpretations. It will also affect some on a very emotional basis. In other words it is "art". Is it good art? I don't think it is particularly good, but that is my taste.

No the "art" was done in bad taste. Plenty other models to use but why a crucifixion? True, it stands out because of the imagery, but it is done in bad taste. Only eclectic people people who like this kind of art find the artistry in it.

 

[LuisDantas]

No. He literally said:



If he so chooses to I'll let him explain it so forgive me if I do not accept your explanation on the matter. I read the comment quite literally.

Indeed, I meant it quite literally.

Literally everyone is NOT blasphemous towards everyone else's beliefs (rather some, not all), but where did you get this line of reasoning? Considering you don`t know not even 1% of the people in your area how is everyone accountable for blasphemy? Very poor logic indeed.

I am aware enough of the doctrines that claim right to profess blasphemy, how popular they are, and how compatible they are with each other.

 

[GoodbyeDave]

Art is surely about communication, yet the posters here seem incapable of agreeing what point the artist was trying to make. So, not just offensive, but unsuccessful art.

 

[lukethethird]

No the "art" was done in bad taste. Plenty other models to use but why a crucifixion? True, it stands out because of the imagery, but it is done in bad taste. Only eclectic people people who like this kind of art find the artistry in it.

Depictions of Jesus on a cross is bad taste, so what's the diff?

 

[Audie]

Depictions of Jesus on a cross is bad taste, so what's the diff?

Torture and symbolic cannibalism are key
to the whole Jesus thing, none of it is especially
"good taste".

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Indeed, I meant it quite literally.



I am aware enough of the doctrines that claim right to profess blasphemy, how popular they are, and how compatible they are with each other.

I'm not talking about doctrines I'm talking about people who go about their lives everyday. Are you saying religious people go about their average day blaspheming another person's faith?

You said "EVERYONE" including me. This morning I woke up eating bacon and eggs. Who was I blaspheming this morning when I opened my eyes and made myself breakfast?

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Depictions of Jesus on a cross is bad taste, so what's the diff?

I think Christians see the crucifixion as something of a representation of the sacrifice Jesus made for the sins of humanity. Jesus was/is the icon of sacrificial innocence and selflessness, an innocent man tried and convicted for no crime of his own, and I think the iconic imagery of crucifixes across the world serve as a reminder to Christians and Catholics of the sacrifice he made. Sure, I think the image of a man asphyxiating on a Roman contraption is very gruesome and graphic, but I understand why Christians have it mounted on their walls and churches.

When I see Ronald McDonald a childhood figure that I grew up seeing on commercials it doesn't invoke the same feelings even though the artist's intent was to invoke a specific emotion. think the idea was done in poor taste.

 

[JesusChrist69]

i can understand only one thing from this religion is a successful weapon to control people's minds and start wars and mass murder people, good luck gentlemen

 

[Audie]

i can understand only one thing from this religion is a successful weapon to control people's minds and start wars and mass murder people, good luck gentlemen

Well, ya aint understanding very much
here, that is for sure.