Vivat Imperium Romanum!

[Rival]

This my flag.

I am a Roman Citizen.

My main dream in life is the resurrection of the SPQR under an Augustus.

Long live the EU!

We need to bring back Latin in place of barbarous languages like English.

Btw you pronounce vivat with a w, barbarorum.

 

[Stevicus]

 

[Rival]

When you raise your glass you need to say 'salve' - health, saving.

Caesar is said the same as Kaiser.

And you need to be a Christian because of this one guy.

And you need to speak Greek, for some reason.

And don't worry that all the pipes are made of lead, we're working on that (okay, the slaves are working on that).

The Roman Empire lasted until 1453.

 

[Rival]

 

[Father Heathen]

 

[The Hammer]

Why Rome?

 

[Rival]

Why Rome?

Because everywhere else is barbarous and ****.

 

[The Hammer]

Because everywhere else is barbarous and ****.

Vivat barbari.

Nos hic primum, et erit hic ultimum.

 

[Rival]

Vivat barbari.

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Nos hic primum, et erit hic ultimum.

We can team up.

New Rome.

 

[Rival]

@The Hammer Ummet Ozcan - Bifrost (Viking Techno) - YouTube

We can call it... the European Union...

 

[Brickjectivity]

The Roman Empire lasted until 1453.

Rome was the beta version of the internet.

 

[Rival]

In all seriousness though...

The EU was formed by Catholics in accordance with Catholic social doctrine and in the aftermath of WWII. The Roman Empire, post conversion, was a model of Christian unity, and even after 1054 remained so. @Vouthon's OP was not only misunderstood but grossly so. No-one was calling for a hard imperialist empire but a voluntary union. The EU is in Europe and Europe is a Christian invention, a conceptual continent. We ask for voluntary union to an array of countries joined by shared values solidly based in Christianity. If this offends you, well, be offended.

 

[Viker]

Mors Roma!
Barbaris gloria!
Ave Corniger, Deus paganorum!

Okay. Latin ain't maybe my strength.

 

[Vouthon]

In all seriousness though...

The EU was formed by Catholics in accordance with Catholic social doctrine and in the aftermath of WWII. The Roman Empire, post conversion, was a model of Christian unity, and even after 1054 remained so. @Vouthon's OP was not only misunderstood but grossly so. No-one was calling for a hard imperialist empire but a voluntary union. The EU is in Europe and Europe is a Christian invention, a conceptual continent. We ask for voluntary union to an array of countries joined by shared values solidly based in Christianity. If this offends you, well, be offended.

Thank you Rival, very well said!!

For the unitiated, Rival's witty thread is referring back to mine:

Will empire return?

And a post by @danieldemol which misrepresents my position: Is Catholicism true and...

Mainly because of what I perceive as the call of a certain Catholic and his accomplice to call for the resurrection of the Roman empire.​

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Bar bar bar. Bar bar. Barbarabar bar bar.

 

[Debater Slayer]

The EU is in Europe and Europe is a Christian invention, a conceptual continent. We ask for voluntary union to an array of countries joined by shared values solidly based in Christianity.

To be fair, though, a lot of modern-day European values are far from based in Christianity. I wouldn't say that the almost universal support for same-sex marriage at the state level in Europe was a Christian thing, for example, nor are the attitudes toward sexuality and religion (or irreligion, as it were) that are more liberal than most of the world.

Christianity's influence on Europe is undeniable, but it seems to me that Europe has been solidly moving away from the religion, at least in its traditional forms, for at least the last few decades.

 

[Stevicus]

So, will chariot races come back?

 

[amorphous_constellation]

The Roman Empire, post conversion, was a model of Christian unity,

I don't know, but the opinion I'm forming on it, is that after they got constantine to work with it, it seems like it must have morphed and changed into something else. It seems like it was never meant to be a religion of the 'majority,' or be a religion that was represented by warriors. Those two things seem like they disrupted the basic narrative too much, of it being the religion of a sort of humble minority, which was pervasive up to the 4rth century

 

[Rival]

To be fair, though, a lot of modern-day European values are far from based in Christianity. I wouldn't say that the almost universal support for same-sex marriage at the state level in Europe was a Christian thing, for example, nor are the attitudes toward sexuality and religion (or irreligion, as it were) that are more liberal than most of the world.

Christianity's influence on Europe is undeniable, but it seems to me that Europe has been solidly moving away from the religion, at least in its traditional forms, for at least the last few decades.

It actually is.

Christianity emphasises love, and that love often comes before anything, even the divine commandments. This idea of allowing people to do what is conscionable is Christian, at least here, if it hurts no-one. Christianity has always been radical.

 

[Debater Slayer]

It actually is.

Christianity emphasises love, and that love often comes before anything, even the divine commandments. This idea of allowing people to do what is conscionable is Christian, at least here, if it hurts no-one. Christianity has always been radical.

Considering the official positions of some of the world's most prominent churches—the Catholic Church and both the Coptic and Eastern Orthodox ones—it seems to me that their positions definitely don't view same-sex relationships as the kind of love that they want to emphasize.

I don't know enough about the position of the Church of England concerning this issue, but if it supports same-sex marriage, then I suppose that does align with the argument you're making.