Voter ID laws

[Subduction Zone]

Hmm, I don't know what Snopes article that you linked @InChrist but the first Snopes article that I came across refuted your claim:

Would Georgia Bill Expand Ban On Free Food, Water For Voters Waiting in Line? | Snopes.com

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In March 2021, Georgia lawmakers were considering a bill that would update existing laws that prohibit offering gifts to voters at polls to explicitly include language that would make giving food or water to voters standing in line a misdemeanor crime, no matter the circumstances.
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[InChrist]

Hmm, I don't know what Snopes article that you linked @InChrist but the first Snopes article that I came across refuted your claim:

Would Georgia Bill Expand Ban On Free Food, Water For Voters Waiting in Line? | Snopes.com

Claim
In March 2021, Georgia lawmakers were considering a bill that would update existing laws that prohibit offering gifts to voters at polls to explicitly include language that would make giving food or water to voters standing in line a misdemeanor crime, no matter the circumstances.
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Read this part...

“Political organizations or advocacy groups will use the giveaways or gifts, known as “line warming,” to inappropriately influence voters in the crucial final moments before they cast their ballots. Such efforts violate the protections Georgia law has placed on campaigning near a polling location or voting line and the prohibitions on providing rewards to voters that were enacted to stop pay-for-vote schemes.”
Would Georgia Bill Expand Ban On Free Food, Water For Voters Waiting in Line? | Snopes.com



There is no prohibition on poll workers, family or friends giving water or food or for voters to bring their own, it applies only to those individuals or groups trying to influence voters.


”Myth 4: The bill bans access to water for voters while waiting in line.

The Truth: The law allows for self-service water from an unattended receptacle (see line 1828 of the law). The law protects voters from political solicitation within 150 feet of a voting building (see line 1818 of the law). Voters are of course allowed to bring water with them.“

Heritage Fact-Checks the Rhetoric on Georgia Election Reform Law

 

[Subduction Zone]

Read this part...

“Political organizations or advocacy groups will use the giveaways or gifts, known as “line warming,” to inappropriately influence voters in the crucial final moments before they cast their ballots. Such efforts violate the protections Georgia law has placed on campaigning near a polling location or voting line and the prohibitions on providing rewards to voters that were enacted to stop pay-for-vote schemes.”
Would Georgia Bill Expand Ban On Free Food, Water For Voters Waiting in Line? | Snopes.com



There is no prohibition on poll workers, family or friends giving water or food or for voters to bring their own, it applies only to those individuals or groups trying to influence voters.


”Myth 4: The bill bans access to water for voters while waiting in line.

The Truth: The law allows for self-service water from an unattended receptacle (see line 1828 of the law). The law protects voters from political solicitation within 150 feet of a voting building (see line 1818 of the law). Voters are of course allowed to bring water with them.“

Heritage Fact-Checks the Rhetoric on Georgia Election Reform Law

No, it goes far past those trying to influence the vote. You should have quoted the previous paragraph:

" Because some people in the state’s urban areas must often wait in long lines to cast ballots, voting rights groups and other volunteers have served pizza, chips, hot chocolate, and other food to keep people comfortable and prevent them from leaving before they vote. However, according to Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, the so-called “line warming” violates existing Georgia law governing governing voter intimidation at polls."

What you quoted was merely the claim of a politician, it was not about what the bill actually did. The bill as written bans even voting rights groups from donating food and water.

 

[InChrist]

No, it goes far past those trying to influence the vote. You should have quoted the previous paragraph:

" Because some people in the state’s urban areas must often wait in long lines to cast ballots, voting rights groups and other volunteers have served pizza, chips, hot chocolate, and other food to keep people comfortable and prevent them from leaving before they vote. However, according to Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, the so-called “line warming” violates existing Georgia law governing governing voter intimidation at polls."

What you quoted was merely the claim of a politician, it was not about what the bill actually did. The bill as written bans even voting rights groups from donating food and water.

Here’s what the provision actually states...


Section 33 of the bill states:

"No person shall solicit votes in any manner or by any means or method, nor shall any person distribute or display any campaign material, nor shall any person give, offer to give, or participate in the giving of any money or gifts, including, but not limited to, food and drink, to an elector, nor shall any person solicit signatures for any petition, nor shall any person, other than election officials discharging their duties, establish or set up any tables or booths on any day in which ballots are being cast."

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Those limits apply inside and within 150 feet of voting locations, and within 25 feet of voting lines.

The section of the law says that volunteers and election officials, however, can set up water stations that voters can independently go to.

Georgia's new controversial voting law bans volunteers from delivering free water and snacks to voters in line

Despite all the uproar from the left the majority of Blacks and nonwhites support voter ID laws.

”To the contrary, a recent Rasmussen Reports poll found that 69% of Blacks and 82% of nonwhite minorities support voter ID. Another poll taken even more recently by the Atlanta Journal-Constitution found that a full two-thirds of Blacks in Georgia support voter ID. The data seems clear: A majority of Black Americans support voter ID laws. ”

Why We Black Leaders Support Voter ID Laws | RealClearPolitics!

 

[Subduction Zone]

Here’s what the provision actually states...


Section 33 of the bill states:

"No person shall solicit votes in any manner or by any means or method, nor shall any person distribute or display any campaign material, nor shall any person give, offer to give, or participate in the giving of any money or gifts, including, but not limited to, food and drink, to an elector, nor shall any person solicit signatures for any petition, nor shall any person, other than election officials discharging their duties, establish or set up any tables or booths on any day in which ballots are being cast."

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Those limits apply inside and within 150 feet of voting locations, and within 25 feet of voting lines.

The section of the law says that volunteers and election officials, however, can set up water stations that voters can independently go to.

Georgia's new controversial voting law bans volunteers from delivering free water and snacks to voters in line

Despite all the uproar from the left the majority of Blacks and nonwhites support voter ID laws.

”To the contrary, a recent Rasmussen Reports poll found that 69% of Blacks and 82% of nonwhite minorities support voter ID. Another poll taken even more recently by the Atlanta Journal-Constitution found that a full two-thirds of Blacks in Georgia support voter ID. The data seems clear: A majority of Black Americans support voter ID laws. ”

Why We Black Leaders Support Voter ID Laws | RealClearPolitics!

In other words I was correct.

Organizations that are neutral cannot give water or food directly to voters. A water station isn't good enough. They can break down. They can run out of water. They cannot be worked on during polling hours.

Why go to such draconian excess?

 

[InChrist]

In other words I was correct.

Organizations that are neutral cannot give water or food directly to voters. A water station isn't good enough. They can break down. They can run out of water. They cannot be worked on during polling hours.

Why go to such draconian excess?

Draconian? Aren’t you being a little dramatic? When was the last time you had anyone give you water or food while in line at the polls?

As noted, the prohibition is only within 150 ft. and the point is to deter those who would attempt influencing voters how to vote.

Since the majority of Black and nonwhites support voter ID laws why are you so opposed?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Without a picture ID they have no clue who you are.

Sure they do.

For instance, here are the acceptable forms of ID in Canadian elections:

- Option 1: 1 piece of government-issued photo ID with your name and address

- Option 2: 2 pieces of ID from a long list of acceptable forms of ID (e.g. government ID without your address, gov't ID without a photo, a utility bill, a bank statement, etc.)

- Option 3: someone with ID who knows you and lives in the same polling area attests to your identity.

This standard works just fine here.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I have been voting for over 40 years. I have always had to 1) declare I am a U.S. citizen and 2) show valid, current ID. So what’s the issue? That’s the way it’s always been.

I guarantee that this isn't true, but if you tell us which state you live in, we can look into the specifics.

Even under the new rules in Georgia, an expired driver's licence is acceptable ID. Since they've carved out a niche that would allow people to vote in the districts where they used to live (provided your income and lack of disabilities allows you to drive), it doesn't seem that they're actually that concerned about curbing voter fraud.

 

[InChrist]

And "common sense" is a frequent excuse of raciest. If you want to limit the ability of people to vote you need a valid reason. Not pitiful common sense.

Just wondering, though on another subject, do you think common sense is always invalid and pitiful?


White House COVID adviser Anthony Fauci, MD, said that although double-masking is not yet an official recommendation, it's the "common sense approach."

Dr. Fauci Just Said This COVID Precaution Should Be "Common Sense"


White House senior medical adviser Dr. Anthony Fauci said during an interview on ABC’s “This Week” that it was “common sense” the outdoor COVID-19 transmission rate is “minuscule.”

“I think it’s pretty common sense now that outdoor risk is really, really quite low, particularly—I mean, if you are a vaccinated person, wearing a mask outdoors, I mean, obviously, the risk is minuscule,”

Fauci Says It’s ‘Common Sense’ That Outdoor COVID-19 Transmission Rate Is Now ‘Miniscule’

 

[Subduction Zone]

Just wondering, though on another subject, do you think common sense is always invalid and pitiful?


White House COVID adviser Anthony Fauci, MD, said that although double-masking is not yet an official recommendation, it's the "common sense approach."

Dr. Fauci Just Said This COVID Precaution Should Be "Common Sense"


White House senior medical adviser Dr. Anthony Fauci said during an interview on ABC’s “This Week” that it was “common sense” the outdoor COVID-19 transmission rate is “minuscule.”

“I think it’s pretty common sense now that outdoor risk is really, really quite low, particularly—I mean, if you are a vaccinated person, wearing a mask outdoors, I mean, obviously, the risk is minuscule,”

Fauci Says It’s ‘Common Sense’ That Outdoor COVID-19 Transmission Rate Is Now ‘Miniscule’

And that was a bit of a faux pas for him. He said that it was "common sense" but he could justify that claim. He did not make your mistake of thinking that saying it was common sense was enough. If you followed the link to the original story you would have seen him explain why it is a good idea:

"If you're talking about a physical barrier, and as the CDC [Centers for Disease Control and Prevention] recommends you want at least two layers within the mask as a physical barrier, and you feel maybe more of a physical barrier would be better, there is nothing wrong with people wearing two masks,"

For him when he says "common sense" it appears that means that he can explain why very easily. Some people make the mistake of saying that something is "common sense" is all that one needs to do. When you use that phrase it does not excuse you from supporting your claims.

 

[InChrist]

And that was a bit of a faux pas for him. He said that it was "common sense" but he could justify that claim. He did not make your mistake of thinking that saying it was common sense was enough. If you followed the link to the original story you would have seen him explain why it is a good idea:

"If you're talking about a physical barrier, and as the CDC [Centers for Disease Control and Prevention] recommends you want at least two layers within the mask as a physical barrier, and you feel maybe more of a physical barrier would be better, there is nothing wrong with people wearing two masks,"

For him when he says "common sense" it appears that means that he can explain why very easily. Some people make the mistake of saying that something is "common sense" is all that one needs to do. When you use that phrase it does not excuse you from supporting your claims.

Okay, thanks for your reply and clarification. When I used the expression “common sense” I was not using it as an excuse for racism or as a means to avoid any other supporting reasons for voter ID. For the most part, I doubt others who support voter ID do so because they are racists.
As I mentioned earlier, statistics reveal that the majority of Blacks and non-whites support voter ID laws.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Okay, thanks for your reply and clarification. When I used the expression “common sense” I was not using it as an excuse for racism or as a means to avoid any other supporting reasons for voter ID. For the most part, I doubt others who support voter ID do so because they are racists.
As I mentioned earlier, statistics reveal that the majority of Blacks and non-whites support voter ID laws.

Sometimes we hide our racism even to ourselves. One has to look at the motives behind one's thoughts at times. Sometime there is an ugly reason for those thoughts.

There does not appear to be any rational reason for Georgia's voter ID laws. Racism does explain it. Nothing else seems to.

 

[Kooky]

”Myth 4: The bill bans access to water for voters while waiting in line.

The Truth: The law allows for self-service water from an unattended receptacle (see line 1828 of the law). The law protects voters from political solicitation within 150 feet of a voting building (see line 1818 of the law). Voters are of course allowed to bring water with them.“

Heritage Fact-Checks the Rhetoric on Georgia Election Reform Law

So what if there is no water from an unattended receptacle? Then people would have to go without water?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

For the most part, I doubt others who support voter ID do so because they are racists.

Indeed. Maybe they just hate poor people. Or democracy. Or maybe they really are kind-hearted people who have just been duped.

But regardless of a person's individual motives for supporting voter suppression tactics, the tactics are racist in terms of their effects.

 

[Kooky]

Indeed. Maybe they just hate poor people. Or democracy. Or maybe they really are kind-hearted people who have just been duped.

To be fair, there is always the possibility of this merely being a self-serving stunt to secure one party's grip on power.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

To be fair, there is always the possibility of this merely being a self-serving stunt to secure one party's grip on power.

I was thinking of those people when I mentioned hating democracy.

 

[InChrist]

Sometimes we hide our racism even to ourselves. One has to look at the motives behind one's thoughts at times. Sometime there is an ugly reason for those thoughts.

There does not appear to be any rational reason for Georgia's voter ID laws. Racism does explain it. Nothing else seems to.

There is something besides racism going on; an idea which the media so loudly keeps pushing and I believe actually is encouraging. I think you are being misinformed and misled.
Your view on the subject does not line up with statistics or the realistic views of the majority of Blacks and non-whites who consider voter ID laws valid, NOT racist.

Majorities of whites (74%), blacks (69%) and other minorities (82%) say voters should be required to show photo identification before being allowed to vote,” Rassmussen Reports found among 1,000 likely voters polled throughout the U.S.

Even along party lines, 60 percent of Democrats, 89 percent of Republicans, and 77 percent of unaffiliated voters responded in the affirmative.

“Should voters be required to show photo identification such as a driver’s license before being allowed to vote?”

1000 National Likely Voters – Yes
White – 74%
Black – 69%
Oth Non-White – 82%
All Voters – 75%

75% Support Voter ID Laws 75% Support Voter ID Laws

— Rasmussen Reports (@Rasmussen_Poll) March 28, 2021

As Democrats Claim Voter ID Is Racist, New Poll Shows Nearly 70% of Blacks Support It

”These elites are totally oblivious to the real Black leaders, such as civil rights legend Robert Woodson and Richard Finley; younger leaders like Wall Street wizard John Burnett; National Black Chamber of Commerce founders Harry and Kay Alford; Michael Murphy, political operative extraordinaire from Georgia; business and football legend Herschel Walker; Texas state Rep. James White; 21-year-old West Virginia state Rep. Caleb Hanna; former Florida Lt. Gov. Jennifer S. Carroll; former ambassador to the U.N. Human Rights Commission Ken Blackwell; and U.S. Congressmen Byron Donalds and Burgess Owens, to name a few.”

Why We Black Leaders Support Voter ID Laws


”However, if you listened to largely white liberal media personalities and elite CEOs, you wouldn’t know this. According to liberal orthodoxy, all Blacks think alike, and all Blacks support Black Lives Matter, and all Blacks oppose the recently enacted Georgia Election Integrity Act.

To the contrary, a recent Rasmussen Reports poll found that 69% of Blacks and 82% of nonwhite minorities support voter ID. Another poll taken even more recently by the Atlanta Journal-Constitution found that a full two-thirds of Blacks in Georgia support voter ID. The data seems clear: A majority of Black Americans support voter ID laws.”

Commentary: Why We Black Leaders Support Voter ID Laws - The Georgia Star News

 

[Subduction Zone]

There is something besides racism going on; an idea which the media so loudly keeps pushing and I believe actually is encouraging. I think you are being misinformed and misled.
Your view on the subject does not line up with statistics or the realistic views of the majority of Blacks and non-whites who consider voter ID laws valid, NOT racist.

Majorities of whites (74%), blacks (69%) and other minorities (82%) say voters should be required to show photo identification before being allowed to vote,” Rassmussen Reports found among 1,000 likely voters polled throughout the U.S.

Even along party lines, 60 percent of Democrats, 89 percent of Republicans, and 77 percent of unaffiliated voters responded in the affirmative.

“Should voters be required to show photo identification such as a driver’s license before being allowed to vote?”

1000 National Likely Voters – Yes
White – 74%
Black – 69%
Oth Non-White – 82%
All Voters – 75%

75% Support Voter ID Laws 75% Support Voter ID Laws

— Rasmussen Reports (@Rasmussen_Poll) March 28, 2021

As Democrats Claim Voter ID Is Racist, New Poll Shows Nearly 70% of Blacks Support It

”These elites are totally oblivious to the real Black leaders, such as civil rights legend Robert Woodson and Richard Finley; younger leaders like Wall Street wizard John Burnett; National Black Chamber of Commerce founders Harry and Kay Alford; Michael Murphy, political operative extraordinaire from Georgia; business and football legend Herschel Walker; Texas state Rep. James White; 21-year-old West Virginia state Rep. Caleb Hanna; former Florida Lt. Gov. Jennifer S. Carroll; former ambassador to the U.N. Human Rights Commission Ken Blackwell; and U.S. Congressmen Byron Donalds and Burgess Owens, to name a few.”

Why We Black Leaders Support Voter ID Laws


”However, if you listened to largely white liberal media personalities and elite CEOs, you wouldn’t know this. According to liberal orthodoxy, all Blacks think alike, and all Blacks support Black Lives Matter, and all Blacks oppose the recently enacted Georgia Election Integrity Act.

To the contrary, a recent Rasmussen Reports poll found that 69% of Blacks and 82% of nonwhite minorities support voter ID. Another poll taken even more recently by the Atlanta Journal-Constitution found that a full two-thirds of Blacks in Georgia support voter ID. The data seems clear: A majority of Black Americans support voter ID laws.”

Commentary: Why We Black Leaders Support Voter ID Laws - The Georgia Star News

A voting law is still racist if it has more of a negative effect on some races than it does on others. It is just that simple.

 

[InChrist]

So what if there is no water from an unattended receptacle? Then people would have to go without water?

Why should anyone have to go without water? There’s no prohibition against anyone bringing water with them or anyone bringing water to them who isn’t doing so to buy or influence voters; like a friend or family member.

 

[InChrist]

A voting law is still racist if it has more of a negative effect on some races than it does on others. It is just that simple.

And who is telling you that voter ID laws negatively affect some races? You aren’t listening to the majority of Blacks or non-whites. So maybe you are listening to the liberal Whites who are pretty demeaning and racist with their opinion that Blacks or other minorities lack the ability to deal with basic ID requirements.