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Voter Restrictions

Sgt. Pepper

All you need is love.
Article excerpt: Trump says Republicans would ‘never’ be elected again if it was easier to vote

Donald Trump admitted on Monday that making it easier to vote in America would hurt the Republican party.

The president made the comments as he dismissed a Democratic-led push for reforms such as vote-by-mail, same-day registration and early voting as states seek to safely run elections amid the Covid-19 pandemic. Democrats had proposed the measures as part of the coronavirus stimulus. They ultimately were not included in the $2.2tn final package, which included only $400m to states to help them run elections.

“The things they had in there were crazy. They had things, levels of voting that if you’d ever agreed to it, you’d never have a Republican elected in this country again,” Trump said during an appearance on Fox & Friends. “They had things in there about election days and what you do and all sorts of clawbacks. They had things that were just totally crazy and had nothing to do with workers that lost their jobs and companies that we have to save.”

Democrats often accuse Republicans of deliberately making it hard to vote in order to keep minorities, immigrants, young people and other groups from the polls. And Republicans often say they oppose voting reforms because of concerns of voter fraud – which is extremely rare – or concerns over having the federal government run elections. But Trump’s remarks reveal how at least some Republicans have long understood voting barriers to be a necessary part of their political self-preservation.

End of article excerpt. Click the above link to read the rest of the article.

Trump says Republicans would never win election again if it was easier to vote

Trump Says GOP Would Never Win Again if Democrats’ Voting Provisions Made It into Stimulus Bill

Trump Admits That Republicans Would Never Win Another Election Under Coronavirus Voting Reform
 

Suave

Simulated character
Democracy under attack: how Republicans led the effort to make it harder to vote

"Republican lawmakers have seized on the fears created by those baseless claims and weaponized them into new laws that make it harder to vote. Between January and October, 19 states enacted 33 laws to restrict voting access, according to the Brennan Center for Justice."
I am guessing most Americans would agree with the enfranchisement of non citizen workers having a vote for how their tax payments should be distributed and how their working conditions should be regulated. Also, please let us consider felons as being eligible to vote, because many of them have experienced discriminatory policing and unfair sentencing, and their votes might help persuade politicians to reform our criminal justice system.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
This is why we absolutely need to pass the Federal voting rights law that Manchin basically wrote to appeal to moderate Republicans who, of course, just about universally are against it for this very reason.

There's one county where the voter suppression is so bad that the only voting place requires a 46 mile round trip to get to the only place to vote. Lincoln County, Georgia, Where The Population Is One-Third Black, Proposes Closing Down All But One Polling Place

To me there's nothing more important for the Democrats to do than to prevent a real stealing of the next election. Nothing. If they fail then it's "Katy bar the door" time when we could see civil war to restore our democracy from the tyrants.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
This is why we absolutely need to pass the Federal voting rights law that Manchin basically wrote to appeal to moderate Republicans who, of course, just about universally are against it for this very reason.

There's one county where the voter suppression is so bad that the only voting place requires a 46 mile round trip to get to the only place to vote. Lincoln County, Georgia, Where The Population Is One-Third Black, Proposes Closing Down All But One Polling Place

To me there's nothing more important for the Democrats to do than to prevent a real stealing of the next election. Nothing. If they fail then it's "Katy bar the door" time when we could see civil war to restore our democracy from the tyrants.
The GOP is very good at legal voting fraud. The system is set up assuming all parties want fair play and equality. The modern GOP has gone way past the point where they fear condemnation for deliberate acts that hinder minority voting. They know that conservative voters will accept any cheating since they elected trump, despite his massive ethical problems and corruption.
 

Aštra’el

Aštara, Blade of Aštoreth
“Law requiring ID to vote= ‘Republicans restricting voting rights and oppressing minorities’.”

- The Left

“Law requiring proof of vaccination to work or travel= ‘Stunning and brave; the right thing to do.”

-Also the Left
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
“Law requiring ID to vote= ‘Republicans restricting voting rights and oppressing minorities’.”

- The Left

“Law requiring proof of vaccination to work or travel= ‘Stunning and brave; the right thing to do.”

-Also the Left

The ID isn't the issue here (although it is an issue). The problem is gerrymandering and redistricting, as well as cutting drop boxes down to 1 per county. Or making it next to impossible to vote by mail. The partisan poll watchers being implemented, or even the cutting of same day voter registration and third party registration assistance for the needy.

If you don't want voting access, just say so.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
Its really nothing new, what used to be planned in back rooms is now out in the open with the strategy all laid out.
But these new laws and restrictions ARE new, surely? Did this go on, on this scale in previous eras? Did major political parties allege that the vote was rigged? This all seems new.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Its really nothing new, what used to be planned in back rooms is now out in the open with the strategy all laid out.

Grover Norquist: "Our goal is to shrink government to the size where we can drown it in a bathtub."
 
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Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
“Law requiring ID to vote= ‘Republicans restricting voting rights and oppressing minorities’.”

- The Left

“Law requiring proof of vaccination to work or travel= ‘Stunning and brave; the right thing to do.”

-Also the Left
How does travelling or working allow you to participate in the political process of your country's representative democracy?
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
“Law requiring ID to vote= ‘Republicans restricting voting rights and oppressing minorities’.”
Correction:
Law requiring ID to vote months before an election in hopes of the poor not being able to get required ID. Democrats were actually fine with ID laws after the impediments to getting IDs were eliminated, and not being an impediment to the poor being able to cast votes.

- The Left

“Law requiring proof of vaccination to work or travel= ‘Stunning and brave; the right thing to do.”
So irresponsible non-vaccinated people (mostly conservatives) don't spread a deadly virus to other citizens who are minding their own business, and expecting some degree of public safety being enforced.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
“Law requiring ID to vote= ‘Republicans restricting voting rights and oppressing minorities’.”

- The Left

“Law requiring proof of vaccination to work or travel= ‘Stunning and brave; the right thing to do.”

-Also the Left
The Hammer brings up a good example, what is your opinion about republicans cutting Lincoln county Georgia from 7 poll locations to just 1? It is a county with a large minority population, and limited public transportation.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Article excerpt: Trump says Republicans would ‘never’ be elected again if it was easier to vote

Donald Trump admitted on Monday that making it easier to vote in America would hurt the Republican party.

The president made the comments as he dismissed a Democratic-led push for reforms such as vote-by-mail, same-day registration and early voting as states seek to safely run elections amid the Covid-19 pandemic. Democrats had proposed the measures as part of the coronavirus stimulus. They ultimately were not included in the $2.2tn final package, which included only $400m to states to help them run elections.

“The things they had in there were crazy. They had things, levels of voting that if you’d ever agreed to it, you’d never have a Republican elected in this country again,” Trump said during an appearance on Fox & Friends. “They had things in there about election days and what you do and all sorts of clawbacks. They had things that were just totally crazy and had nothing to do with workers that lost their jobs and companies that we have to save.”

Democrats often accuse Republicans of deliberately making it hard to vote in order to keep minorities, immigrants, young people and other groups from the polls. And Republicans often say they oppose voting reforms because of concerns of voter fraud – which is extremely rare – or concerns over having the federal government run elections. But Trump’s remarks reveal how at least some Republicans have long understood voting barriers to be a necessary part of their political self-preservation.

End of article excerpt. Click the above link to read the rest of the article.

Trump says Republicans would never win election again if it was easier to vote

Trump Says GOP Would Never Win Again if Democrats’ Voting Provisions Made It into Stimulus Bill

Trump Admits That Republicans Would Never Win Another Election Under Coronavirus Voting Reform
Believe everything trump says
 

Sgt. Pepper

All you need is love.
Believe everything trump says

That seems to be case for a lot of Trump supporters. I was glad to see him booed by his supporters, because that's an indication that he could be losing ground with them. I would rather see Trumpism burn to the ground in a heap of ash fairly quickly, but I'm okay with it being gradually chipped away if that's what it takes to finally eliminate it from the Republican Party.
 

Sgt. Pepper

All you need is love.
He can be stupidly honest at times. Of course those revelations tend to be an introduction to some fraud.

Yep, and it's been said that he inadvertently admitted to obstruction of justice in a recent Fox News interview.

Article excerpt: Trump Admits to Obstruction of Justice in Fox News Interview

Former President Donald Trump bragged that he effectively obstructed justice during a Fox News interview.

Amid demands for Attorney General Merrick Garland to impanel a grand jury, Trump told Fox News that he simply had to fire former FBI Director James Comey. Otherwise, he could have been held accountable for his relationship with Russia during the 2016 election.

“Don’t forget, I fired Comey,” Trump bragged. “Had I not fired Comey, you might not be talking to me right now about a beautiful book about four years in the White House, and we’ll see about the future. If I didn’t fire Comey, they were looking to take down the president of the United States… I don’t think could’ve survived if I didn’t fire him.”

The report published by former special counsel Robert Mueller said that they didn’t even look at whether Trump broke the law during the 2016 election because he followed the Office of Legal Counsel’s opinion that the president couldn’t be indicted while in office. What Mueller did say was that he uncovered at least 10 examples of obstruction of justice from Trump attempting to stop his investigation.

In the video below, Trump admits that firing Comey was one of those examples:

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1467674845987016707?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

End of excerpt. Also read, Trump draws attention with admission he 'fired Comey'
 

Wandering Monk

Well-Known Member
Lincoln County, Georgia is eliminating all but one polling place. It is a very rural county. Some voters will have to drive more than 20 miles (if they have car) to vote. There is no public transportation to make up for those distances.

Georgia has a sordid history of voter suppression.
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
But these new laws and restrictions ARE new, surely? Did this go on, on this scale in previous eras? Did major political parties allege that the vote was rigged? This all seems new.

The false accusation of a rigged election is not only new but has given to certain politicians a clear path to actually change the vote through state legislatures. If one looks closely at the language of some of these new laws it is to keep the vote 'pure', we all know what that refers to. It is our very democracy that is in serious danger, a signal that the 'experiment' is over.
Add to that a Supreme Court possibly now appearing more political and no more trusted to safeguard our Republic.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
What a bunch of pure baloney.

The restrictions are to prevent illegals from compromising the election process which democrats are so very eager to violate.
 
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