Voter Restrictions

[metis]

That statement is baseless.

The John Lewis (so-called) “Voting Rights” Bill is no such thing. It is a blatant power grab by the Democrats to centralize voting procedures to the detriment of representative democracy in our Republic.

Both statements above are 100% inaccurate as even many current and former Pubs have stated. If you can't even see the steps taken by these states are for purposes of voter suppression, then you're living in sheer delusion.

Here's from Britannica:
In the first few months after the presidential election, in which the Democratic challenger, Joe Biden, defeated the Republican incumbent, Donald Trump, Republicans in state legislatures across the country introduced more than 350 bills designed to roll back pandemic-related changes to election procedures and to further restrict voting access in ways that would disproportionately affect minorities, young people, and other Democratic-leaning constituencies. Sponsors of the new restrictions defended them by citing Trump’s patently false assertion that Democrats had stolen the presidential election through massive voter fraud. The bills included new limits on obtaining or casting mail-in ballots, stricter voter ID requirements, additional restrictions on voter registration, prohibitions of ballot collection and delivery by third parties, reductions in early-voting periods, and legislation that would grant poll watchers greater autonomy and closer access to voters and poll workers, thereby increasing the likelihood of voter intimidation and election interference at polling stations. Some bills even criminalized the act of giving food or water to people waiting for hours in long voting lines. In July 2021, in Brnovich v. Democratic National Committee, the Supreme Court’s conservative majority upheld (6–3) two voting laws in Arizona that predated the 2020 election, one limiting third-party ballot collection and another requiring that ballots cast in the wrong precinct be discarded. The Court found that voting laws that disproportionately burden members of racial minority groups do not necessarily violate the VRA, despite the act’s prohibition of any “standard, practice, or procedure…which results in a denial or abridgement of the right of any citizen of the United States to vote on account of race or color” (Section 2). -- voter suppression | Definition, History, Examples, Bills, & Facts | Britannica

 

[Bluedragon]

Fiction. reducing rights.

The laws passed increase access to everyone in early voting.

You need an ID to register for Social Security
You need a ID to buy alcohol and tobacco products
You need an ID to drive
You need an ID for Food Stamps
You need an ID for Medicare and Medicaid

And you still have access to absentee voting rights.

How about the irremovable ink required in some countries to vote? . Then you have to physically be there.

 

[Shaul]

Not in a country that has a history of doing so.

Yes, your statement was baseless.

 

[Shaul]

Yet you wrote:

The John Lewis (so-called) “Voting Rights” Bill is no such thing. It is a blatant power grab by the Democrats to centralize voting procedures to the detriment of representative democracy in our Republic.

The EC is a system that compromises the popular vote with other interests that are largely obsolete today. So it isn't quite representative of the population's desire. If trump had gotten about 50,000 votes in a number of swing states he could have won via the EC despite losing the popular vote by over 7 million citizens. We got lucky this corrupt guy lost. I expected him to lose. I was disappointed he didn't;t lose by more votes in those swing states. This has been his basis of election fraud by lying about fraud in those states.

Do you think it is appropriate that trump in being investigated for fraud in Georgia? He's facing other criminal charges on top of this in other jurisdictions.

The EC is one of the genius creations of the nation’s founders. The United States is a Federal Republic, not a democracy. The Electoral College is a bulwark against the tyranny of larger states trampling the rights of less populous states and minorities.

 

[Kooky]

And you still have access to absentee voting rights.

Couldn't the argument in favor of voter IDs also be used to shut down the option of absentee voting?

Why are absentee votes considered intrinsically safer and more reliable than votes at the ballot?

 

[Shaul]

Both statements above are 100% inaccurate as even many current and former Pubs have stated. If you can't even see the steps taken by these states are for purposes of voter suppression, then you're living in sheer delusion.

Here's from Britannica:
In the first few months after the presidential election, in which the Democratic challenger, Joe Biden, defeated the Republican incumbent, Donald Trump, Republicans in state legislatures across the country introduced more than 350 bills designed to roll back pandemic-related changes to election procedures and to further restrict voting access in ways that would disproportionately affect minorities, young people, and other Democratic-leaning constituencies. Sponsors of the new restrictions defended them by citing Trump’s patently false assertion that Democrats had stolen the presidential election through massive voter fraud. The bills included new limits on obtaining or casting mail-in ballots, stricter voter ID requirements, additional restrictions on voter registration, prohibitions of ballot collection and delivery by third parties, reductions in early-voting periods, and legislation that would grant poll watchers greater autonomy and closer access to voters and poll workers, thereby increasing the likelihood of voter intimidation and election interference at polling stations. Some bills even criminalized the act of giving food or water to people waiting for hours in long voting lines. In July 2021, in Brnovich v. Democratic National Committee, the Supreme Court’s conservative majority upheld (6–3) two voting laws in Arizona that predated the 2020 election, one limiting third-party ballot collection and another requiring that ballots cast in the wrong precinct be discarded. The Court found that voting laws that disproportionately burden members of racial minority groups do not necessarily violate the VRA, despite the act’s prohibition of any “standard, practice, or procedure…which results in a denial or abridgement of the right of any citizen of the United States to vote on account of race or color” (Section 2). -- voter suppression | Definition, History, Examples, Bills, & Facts | Britannica

Then how come so many countries around the world require photo identification for voting? France does. So does Canada. As does Mexico. Greece does. And Iceland. So too Israel. As do Norway, Germany and Switzerland. I could go on and on. The fact is most countries do. Surely you aren’t saying they are all trying to suppress voting.

And speaking of the Supreme Court, in a 6–3 decision that was written by liberal favorite John Paul Stevens, it declared that voter-ID laws don’t constitute an undue burden on people attempting to vote.

Polls show that Blacks and Latinos favor voter ids too, by 2 to 1. As do most people in general.

Voter photo identification work and are not suppression.

 

[Kooky]

Then how come so many countries around the world require photo identification for voting? France does. So does Canada. As does Mexico. Greece does. And Iceland. So too Israel. As do Norway, Germany and Switzerland. I could go on and on. The fact is most countries do. Surely you aren’t saying they are all trying to suppress voting.

Most of these countries also put election days on days when most of the people are not required to work, and allow for generous time frames for absentee vote. Would you be in favor of that, too, or are these countries only a model when it comes to restricting people's abilities to cast a vote?

 

[anna.]

Also, please let us consider felons as being eligible to vote, because many of them have experienced discriminatory policing and unfair sentencing, and their votes might help persuade politicians to reform our criminal justice system.

The reason felons can't vote has always been based on discrimination.

Felon disenfranchisement laws were crafted with the intent to disenfranchise as many blacks as possible just after the Civil War and today continue to have largely the same effect.

 

[anna.]

The EC is one of the genius creations of the nation’s founders. The United States is a Federal Republic, not a democracy. The Electoral College is a bulwark against the tyranny of larger states trampling the rights of less populous states and minorities.

The EC ensures land is more important than people, but citizen living in a less populated state shouldn't effectively be afforded more power at the ballot box than a citizen in a more populated state.

And yes, the United States is also a representative democracy.

A representative democracy is a system of government whereby eligible members of the public are empowered to elect representatives amongst themselves to enact laws and oversee and protect their interests in government. It is the opposite of direct democracy. Most political scholars see a representative democracy as the most efficient system of democracy, particularly in countries with large populations.

They base their argument on the numerous advantages of a representative democracy. The majority of countries in the world practice this system of government as parliamentary republics, federal republics or constitutional monarchies. Some examples of countries which practice representative democracy are the United States, the United Kingdom, Germany, Russia, Germany, South Africa, Brazil, India, Japan, the Philippines, Canada, France, Turkey, Argentina, Tanzania, Mexico, Senegal and China among many others.

 

[metis]

Then how come so many countries around the world require photo identification for voting? France does. So does Canada. As does Mexico. Greece does. And Iceland. So too Israel. As do Norway, Germany and Switzerland. I could go on and on. The fact is most countries do. Surely you aren’t saying they are all trying to suppress voting.

And speaking of the Supreme Court, in a 6–3 decision that was written by liberal favorite John Paul Stevens, it declared that voter-ID laws don’t constitute an undue burden on people attempting to vote.

Polls show that Blacks and Latinos favor voter ids too, by 2 to 1. As do most people in general.

Voter photo identification work and are not suppression.

Where did I say or imply that I'm against voter ID? Also, what about what the article I linked you to? You just blew that off.

If one tries to justify the BIG LIE, then it is nothing sort of blatant hypocrisy that they would question my commitment to the "rule of law".